Re: More long AS-sets announced

2005-06-20 Thread Jeroen Massar
On Mon, 2005-06-20 at 01:10 +0200, Lorenzo Colitti wrote: Lorenzo Colitti wrote: as part of our AS-set stuffing experiments (announced, including links to in-depth information, in [1]), we will be announcing unusually large AS-sets tomorrow, Thursday 16 June. Hi, due to unforeseen

Re: More long AS-sets announced

2005-06-20 Thread Randy Bush
June 15th: Lorenzo gives us 24 hours notice that he is going to be using our (a very general our here, meaning all Internet operators) network for performing his experiments on. (oh, and points out that hes been doing the same with IPv6 since last year, just unannounced, but thats okay

Re: More long AS-sets announced

2005-06-20 Thread Lorenzo Colitti
Jeroen Massar wrote: Btw, if you postponed the 'experiment', how come I did pick up this one: 84.205.73.0/24 12654 12654 {1221,1221,1221,1221,1221,1221,1221,1221,1221,1221, 1221,1221,1221,1221,1221,1221,1221,1221,1221,1221, 1221,1221,1221,1221,1221,1221,1221,1221,1221,1221,

Re: Email peering (Was: Economics of SPAM [Was: Micorsoft's Sender IDAuthentication......?]

2005-06-20 Thread Alex Rubenstein
There's no reason why one couldn't build a comparable model for mail, with the SMTP speciality service provider offering SMTP transit to a base of trusted customers. This comparatively small number of SMTP speciality provider would then maintain good relations (peerings) with the

Re: More long AS-sets announced

2005-06-20 Thread MarcoH
On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 11:58:33AM +0200, Lorenzo Colitti wrote: Jeroen Massar wrote: Btw, if you postponed the 'experiment', how come I did pick up this one: 84.205.73.0/24 12654 12654 {1221,1221,1221,1221,1221,1221,1221,1221,1221,1221, 1221,1221,1221,1221,1221,1221,1221,1221,1221,1221,

Re: Email peering

2005-06-20 Thread Michael . Dillon
I am not sure any level of security would make me feel good about passing my emails through a 'peering .. core' of SMTP relays. However, if we do go in this direction, I plan on firing up my old copies of BinkleyTerm. FIDO and NetMail may be a good place to start :) Back in the day,

Re: Email peering

2005-06-20 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
On 19/06/05, Alexei Roudnev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My e-mail is [EMAIL PROTECTED], but I send it when I am on DSL with EthLink (and thru Earthlink SMTP). And it is 100% valid situation. Sure is - which is one reason why spf just is not going to work for you CSV on the other hand makes no

Re: More long AS-sets announced

2005-06-20 Thread Jeroen Massar
On Mon, 2005-06-20 at 12:33 +0200, MarcoH wrote: On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 11:58:33AM +0200, Lorenzo Colitti wrote: Jeroen Massar wrote: Btw, if you postponed the 'experiment', how come I did pick up this one: 84.205.73.0/24 12654 12654

Re: Email peering

2005-06-20 Thread Dave Crocker
Back in the day, there were users of Fido technology networks who were concerned with email privacy. They applied a technology called PGP to secure the contents of their messages. Folks, We are talking about changing an existing system -- one with an installed base of perhaps 1B users,

LACNIC's new allocation from IANA

2005-06-20 Thread Ricardo Patara
We apologize for duplicates. LACNIC received new IPv4 address blocks from IANA on last June 17th, and will start to make allocation from these new blocks in near future. The IP blocks allocated are the following: 189/8 and 190/8 We recommend the network administrators to revise and to adjust

RE: [NON-OPERATIONAL] Re: NANOG Evolution

2005-06-20 Thread Hannigan, Martin
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Daniel Golding Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 1:30 PM To: Randy Bush; Betty Burke Cc: nanog@merit.edu; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [NON-OPERATIONAL] Re: NANOG Evolution Randy, People's employers

Re: [NON-OPERATIONAL] Re: NANOG Evolution

2005-06-20 Thread Steve Feldman
It shouldn't be complicated. I think members are looking for Operator experience. I don't think it's too hard to make that easily discernable as long as it's fair. Different people will look for different things. That's why we're having an election, instead of just having Merit appoint the

Re: [NON-OPERATIONAL] Re: NANOG Evolution

2005-06-20 Thread vijay gill
Hannigan, Martin wrote: It shouldn't be complicated. I think members are looking for Operator experience. I don't think it's too hard to make that easily discernable as long as it's fair. Members aren't looking for Operator experience (sic). Members are looking for talks that do not suck.

Re: [NON-OPERATIONAL] Re: NANOG Evolution

2005-06-20 Thread Steve Feldman
On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 11:09:37PM -0400, Hannigan, Martin wrote: I agree, this is an imperfect mechanism, but there was a desire to get the process going well in advance of the next meeting. Otherwise we would have to wait a few extra months. Also, note that not all voters will be at

Re: [NON-OPERATIONAL] Re: NANOG Evolution

2005-06-20 Thread Tony Li
Members aren't looking for Operator experience (sic). Members are looking for talks that do not suck. (sic) is a matter of interpretation, and, you already said the talks suck. The PC said they don't get enough talks. Some of the talks are going to be filler. Put more constructively,