Hi,
Is that possible to get full internet routing table
without help from upstream ISP? or is there anyway to
get some backbone network's internet routing table
directly?
thanks
Joe
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On Wed, 2 Nov 2005, Joe Shen wrote:
Is that possible to get full internet routing table
without help from upstream ISP? or is there anyway to
get some backbone network's internet routing table
directly?
Do you mean as an eBGP feed, to your router? Or just a static copy
Any thoughts on this:
http://www.convergedigest.com/Bandwidth/newnetworksarticle.asp?ID=16437
--- snip
The applicants committed, for a period of three years, to maintain
settlement-free peering arrangements with at least as many providers of
Internet backbone services as they did in
the two year window is far too low given the sbc ceo's recent public
statements on the use of his wires by google and the like.
randy
On Mon, Oct 31, 2005 at 12:19:58PM -1000, Randy Bush wrote:
Hi,
this implies that a non-trivial part of the net can not see
anycast services for which some of the servers are marking
their announcements as NO_EXPORT.
Is it an idea to have anycasted instances using NO_EXPORT announce /25's
Is it an idea to have anycasted instances using NO_EXPORT
announce /25's instead of /24's?
many many folk filter on /24, so the /25 would not be seen.
Another possibility is for $LARGE_ISP to localpref the
NO_EXPORTED down to $LOW value
and then how will the down-preffed prefix be seen
On Wed, 2 Nov 2005, Randy Bush wrote:
the two year window is far too low given the sbc ceo's recent public
statements on the use of his wires by google and the like.
Should content suppliers be required to provide equal access to all
networks? Or can content suppliers enter into exclusive
the two year window is far too low given the sbc ceo's recent public
statements on the use of his wires by google and the like.
Should content suppliers be required to provide equal access to all
networks? Or can content suppliers enter into exclusive contracts?
the content providers are
Richard A Steenbergen wrote:
Pete Templin wrote:
John Curran wrote:
Cold-potato only addresses the long-haul; there's still cost on the
receiving network even if its handed off at the closest interconnect
to the final destination(s).
And there's still revenue, as the traffic is going to
On Nov 2, 2005, at 8:04 AM, Randy Bush wrote:the two year window is far too low given the sbc ceo's recent publicstatements on the use of his wires by google and the like.You can pretty much s/the sbc/rboc/g in this context. Leadership seems to believe that because those who conduct business over
if i am a paying sbc or other foopoloy voice customer, and i
place a voice call to aunt tillie, does aunt tillie pay sbc
to hold up her end of the conversation?
if i am a paying sbc or other foopoloy dsl customer and i go
to http://content.provider, why should content.provider pay
to give the
On Wed, 2 Nov 2005, Sean Donelan wrote:
On Wed, 2 Nov 2005, Randy Bush wrote:
the two year window is far too low given the sbc ceo's recent public
statements on the use of his wires by google and the like.
Should content suppliers be required to provide equal access to all
networks?
On 11/2/05 2:04 PM, Randy Bush [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
the two year window is far too low given the sbc ceo's recent public
statements on the use of his wires by google and the like.
randy
For the curious on the list...
How do you think they're going to get to customers? Through a
On Nov 2, 2005, at 9:36 AM, Randy Bush wrote:
if i am a paying sbc or other foopoloy voice customer, and i
place a voice call to aunt tillie, does aunt tillie pay sbc
to hold up her end of the conversation?
No, but they pay their local carrier. And somewhere there's an IXC
in the middle.
Can someone from internap (AS 12179) contact me offlist regarding a BGP
route issue?
--
Thanks,
-
Joseph W. Breu, CCNA phone : +1.319.268.5228
Senior Network Administratorfax : +1.319.266.8158
Cedar Falls Utilities
aol/google/content-provider-foo might provide exclusive content for a
higher (or lower) price than to normal folks, it also might be
bitten by
the lose of potential customers that way :( This sounds like a
business
decision not a legislative one, eh?
Connection web site, should Disney
On Nov 2, 2005, at 9:54 AM, Daniel Golding wrote:
They ARE using your pipes right now, and they AREN'T paying you
money. The
funny thing is that your customers ARE paying you money for access
to Google
and Yahoo. Broadband gets a lot less compelling without content, so
don't
push it.
Our BGP peering with ConEd (AS 27506) went down around 10:20am EST.
Per ConEd NOC, they are investigating.
Does anyone have any insight on this issue ?
Thanks,
- Joe
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On Wed, Nov 02, 2005 at 04:26:04PM +0800, Joe Shen wrote:
Hi,
Is that possible to get full internet routing table
without help from upstream ISP? or is there anyway to
get some backbone network's internet routing table
directly?
whats a full internet routing table and how can
integrity checks for affected customers.
This advisory is posted at
http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/707/cisco-sa-20051102-timers.shtml.
Cisco is not aware of any active exploitation of this vulnerability.
This advisory documents changes to Cisco IOS? as a result of continued
research related
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Hi, NANOGers.
Just a quick interruption in your day to update you on the routing
fun we had. :) The problem was two-fold:
1. An errant provider router that randomly selected which
prefixes to propagate. Mix that with uRPF, and you
have FUN FUN FUN! :)
2. An interesting
Hi all -
At the Peering BOF X at NANOG 35 in Los Angeles last week we held a
debate on the rationality of Peering Traffic Ratios as a Peering
Partner selection criteria. During the debate both sides made good
points, but interestingly, some of the strongest arguments on both
sides of the debate
--- Randy Bush [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
if i am a paying sbc or other foopoloy dsl customer
and i go
to http://content.provider, why should
content.provider pay
to give the sbc paying customer what they're already
charged
for?
There is one scenario where the content.provider is
paying
. Not sure why they didn't shift traffic elsewhere while working on
the upgrade.
-jr
* Reeves, Rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] [20051102 17:42]:
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On Tue, 2005-11-01 at 18:48 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 11:46:20 EST, John Payne said:
What am I missing?
Obviously, the same thing that management at SBC is missing:
snip
He argued that because SBC and others have invested to build high-speed
networks, they
I recently made a request to get a cable modem connection at my home. I
went for one of those $29.95 for three month specials in case I run afoul of
some rules prohibiting what I am going to do. I already have a multi-T1
connection with a Class C block and BGP running on my Cisco 3640 router,
spam was a lousy name...
-Original Message-
From: spam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 11:44 AM
To: 'nanog@merit.edu'
Subject: FW: Using BGP to force inbound and outbound routing through
particular routes
I recently made a request to get a cable modem
Sean Donelan wrote:
Should content suppliers be required to provide equal access to all
networks? Or can content suppliers enter into exclusive contracts?
SBC and Yahoo! have already answered this question (for example).
I also think that most people on this list will remember the early days
What's the netblock and ASN you already have?
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
Edward W. Ray
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 2:50 PM
To: nanog@merit.edu
Subject: Using BGP to force inbound and outbound routing through
particular
Sounds like an extremely short-sighted view of the Net and it's
economics. Claiming content providers should be charged for using
broadband access-pipes is fine and dandy, but coveniently forgetting
that without content there probably wouldn't be a great deal of
customers wanting broadband
On Wed, 2 Nov 2005, Joe Shen wrote:
Is that possible to get full internet routing table without help from upstream
ISP? or is there anyway to get some backbone network's internet routing table
directly?
is this one of those deep philosophical questions .. like trees falling in
forests with
66.6.208.1/24, ASN is currently 11509 but I will be getting my own shortly.
Edward W. Ray
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Hannigan, Martin
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 11:54 AM
To: Edward W. Ray; nanog@merit.edu
Subject: RE: Using
On Wed, Nov 02, 2005 at 08:22:20AM -0600, Pete Templin wrote:
Time out here. John set the stage: cold potato addressed the long haul
(or at least that's the assumption in place when I hopped on board). If
NetA and NetB are honoring MED (or other appropriate knob), NetA-NetB
traffic has
On Wed, Nov 02, 2005 at 03:04:52AM -1000, Randy Bush wrote:
the two year window is far too low given the sbc ceo's recent public
statements on the use of his wires by google and the like.
Come on, you didn't see that coming? I'd wager money that right now,
somewhere at SBC, there are two
Richard A Steenbergen wrote:
Yes with enough time and energy (or a small enough network) you *can* beat
perfect MEDs out of the system (and your customers). You can selectively
deaggregate the hell out of your network, then you can zero out all the
known aggregate blocks and regions that are
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Peter Dambier wrote:
Vicky Rode wrote:
...Raising my hand.
My question is on Terry Hartle's comments, maybe someone with more
insight into this could help clear my confusion.
Why would it require to replace every router and
Yes, you are correct
I have decided to go for my CCIE:Security and need some practice before the
lab exam.
My only choices for multi-homing at home are T1s/DS3s... And cable. I
already have a 3-T1 setup where the Class C block is homed now. This is my
main business line and hosts my DNS,
There is nothing about a cable modem that would normally prevent a
BGP session. Nor do all the intermediate routers need to support BGP
(multi-hop BGP). However, direct connections are preferred.
Your _real_ challenge is convincing Roadrunner's NOC staff to program
one of their backbone
I don't understand them, either. However, if you define incoming
traffic as bad, it encourages depeering by the receiving side if the
incoming/outgoing ratio exceeds a certain value, especially among
close-to-tier-1 carriers: the traffic does not automatically disappear
just because you
On Wed, Nov 02, 2005 at 03:35:07PM -0600, John Dupuy wrote:
There is nothing about a cable modem that would normally prevent a
BGP session. Nor do all the intermediate routers need to support BGP
(multi-hop BGP). However, direct connections are preferred.
Your _real_ challenge is
There is one scenario where the content.provider is
paying the carrier as well - when the content.provider
is a direct customer of the carrier, rather than being
either a SFI-peer or a customer of an SFI-peer.
This of course goes back to the question of
depeering/transit/etc which we beat to
On Wed, Nov 02, 2005 at 02:44:20PM -0600, Pete Templin wrote:
I came up with a reasonably scalable solution using communities and
route-map continue, but:
For what value of scalable?
--Jeff
On Wed, 2 Nov 2005, Jeff Aitken wrote:
On Wed, Nov 02, 2005 at 02:44:20PM -0600, Pete Templin wrote:
I came up with a reasonably scalable solution using communities and
route-map continue, but:
For what value of scalable?
anything, its 'scalable' :)
Steve
Jeff Aitken wrote:
On Wed, Nov 02, 2005 at 02:44:20PM -0600, Pete Templin wrote:
I came up with a reasonably scalable solution using communities and
route-map continue, but:
For what value of scalable?
For me, plenty, but a four-POP single-state network usually has
different constraints
For me, plenty, but a four-POP single-state network usually has
different constraints on scalable. However, I'd categorize it as one
community-list per MED tier (i.e. if you just want near/far, that's two
tiers, etc.) and one community-list entry per POP (or group of POPs, if
you have some
RAS,
I have to admit that I'm guilty of using the phrase class C more or less
interchangably with /24 - I suspect a lot of us still do that...
On 11/2/05 2:22 PM, Richard A Steenbergen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, Nov 02, 2005 at 03:35:07PM -0600, John Dupuy wrote:
There is nothing
I have to admit that I'm guilty of using the phrase class C
more or less interchangably with /24 - I suspect a lot of us
still do that...
well, now you can do it for /64s
and class B can be /48s (or is it /56s?)
and class A can be /32s
we have all been here before -- csny
except i guess
On Wed, Nov 02, 2005 at 03:21:15PM -0800, Joe McGuckin wrote:
RAS,
I have to admit that I'm guilty of using the phrase class C more or less
interchangably with /24 - I suspect a lot of us still do that...
Well, on behalf of the entire networking community, I hereby ask you to
stop it. :)
er.. would this be a poor characterization of the IPv6 addressing
architecture which is encouraged by the IETF and the various RIR
members?
class A == /32
class B == /48
class C == /56
hostroute == /64
(and just think of all that spam than can originate from
actually, no, I could compare a /48 to a class A.
On Nov 2, 2005, at 3:51 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
er.. would this be a poor characterization of the IPv6 addressing
architecture which is encouraged by the IETF and the various RIR
members?
class A == /32
class B ==
On Wed, 2 Nov 2005, Fred Baker wrote:
actually, no, I could compare a /48 to a class A.
...which makes the /32s-and-shorter that everybody's actually getting
double-plus-As, or what?
-Bill
On Nov 2, 2005, at 4:01 PM, Bill Woodcock wrote:
On Wed, 2 Nov 2005, Fred Baker wrote:
actually, no, I could compare a /48 to a class A.
...which makes the /32s-and-shorter that everybody's actually getting
double-plus-As, or what?
A class A gives you 16 bits to enumerate 8 bit
On Wed, 2 Nov 2005, Fred Baker wrote:
While I think /32, /48, /56, and /64 are reasonable prefix lengths
for what they are proposed for, I have this feeling of early
fossilization when it doesn't necessarily make sense.
Yeah, that's what seems important to me here... I
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Fred Baker) [Thu 03 Nov 2005, 01:17 CET]:
A class A gives you 16 bits to enumerate 8 bit subnets. If you start
You've been reading too much Cisco Press material.
All a Class A gives you today is filthy looks, and people who know
better shake their heads, feeling sorry
On Wed, 2 Nov 2005, Fred Baker wrote:
A class A gives you 16 bits to enumerate 8 bit subnets. If you start
from the premise that all subnets are 8 bits (dubious, but I have
heard it asserted) in IPv4,
not according to my view of the internet..
/8: 18 /9: 5 /10: 8 /11: 17 /12: 79 /13:
Bill Woodcock wrote:
On Wed, 2 Nov 2005, Fred Baker wrote:
While I think /32, /48, /56, and /64 are reasonable prefix lengths
for what they are proposed for, I have this feeling of early
fossilization when it doesn't necessarily make sense.
Yeah, that's what seems
On Wed, Nov 02, 2005 at 05:13:27PM -0600, Pete Templin wrote:
For me, plenty, but a four-POP single-state network usually has
different constraints on scalable.
Right.
On Wed, Nov 02, 2005 at 06:20:39PM -0500, Deepak Jain wrote:
I think Pete is saying that as long as you aren't a
On Wed, 2 Nov 2005, Richard A Steenbergen wrote:
It's just a bad habit, and while you may know exactly what it means and
doesn't mean, it does nothing but confuse new people about how and why
classless routing works. It is absolutely absurd that so many people still
keep them confused, then
On Wed, 2 Nov 2005, Fred Baker wrote:
actually, no, I could compare a /48 to a class A.
(someone might already have asked this, but...) why /48? Perhaps it's the
convenience of it all, but I was pretty much willing to 'accept' the
listing as bill/randy had laid it out (accept the wording i
hostroute == /64
(and just think of all that spam than can originate from all those
loose IP addresses in that /64 for your local SMTP server!!! Yummy)
-- Oat Willie
ok... so is it -just- me that gets the willies thinking of the
2x64-1 available IPv6
On Thu, 3 Nov 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
hostroute == /64
(and just think of all that spam than can originate from all those
loose IP addresses in that /64 for your local SMTP server!!! Yummy)
-- Oat Willie
ok... so is it -just- me that gets the
I was pretty much willing to 'accept' the listing as bill/randy
had laid it out (accept the wording i suppose)
actually, bill and i disagreed. this is not unusual :-)
On Nov 2, 2005, at 3:51 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
class A == /32
class B == /48
class C == /56
On Wed, 2 Nov 2005, Randy Bush wrote:
I was pretty much willing to 'accept' the listing as bill/randy
had laid it out (accept the wording i suppose)
actually, bill and i disagreed. this is not unusual :-)
oh silly me, I skipped over 'hostroute' and read 'class c' doh :( anyway,
this
class C == /56
hostroute == /64
and i:
as, in the truely classful days, a lan was a C == /24, i'll
stick to my guns for the moment that a new C is a /64 and so
forth.
and this from the man who actually received a /33 delegation
in v4 space! :)
as there is no
At 01:16 PM 3/11/2005, Christopher L. Morrow wrote:
On Wed, 2 Nov 2005, Fred Baker wrote:
actually, no, I could compare a /48 to a class A.
(someone might already have asked this, but...) why /48?
Because the thinking at the time appears to be that to ease' renumbering
reduce the
On Wed, 2 Nov 2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
er.. would this be a poor characterization of the IPv6 addressing
architecture which is encouraged by the IETF and the various RIR
members?
class A == /32
class B == /48
class C == /56
hostroute == /64
It's
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