On 23-Jan-2007, at 17:53, Todd Underwood wrote:
surely you realise that kanadistan has a higher rate of gun ownership
than the US, right? it probably is the climate, though: people
simply don't kill each other as often when it's colder and up here at
these locales, it's colder a lot more
We also see this with extranet/supply-chain-type connectivity
between large companies who have overlapping address space,
and I'm afraid it's only going to become more common as more
of these types of relationships are established.
Fortunately, IP addresses are not intended for use on the
On Jan 24, 2007, at 12:33 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just remember, IP addresses are *NOT* Internet addresses.
They are Internet Protocol addresses. Connection to the
Internet and public announcement of prefixes are totally
irrelevant.
Of course I understand this, but I also understand
On 23 Jan 2007, at 16:48, Sean Donelan wrote:
Why is IP required,
Because using something that works so well means less wheel reinvention.
and even if you used IP for transport why must the meter
identification be based on an IP address?
Idenification via IP address (exclusively) is
On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 02:07:06 -0800
Roland Dobbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Of course I understand this, but I also understand that if one can
get away with RFC1918 addresses on a non-Internet-connected network,
it's not a bad idea to do so in and of itself; quite the opposite, in
On Jan 24, 2007, at 4:58 AM, Mark Smith wrote:
The problem is that you can't be sure that if you use RFC1918 today
you
won't be bitten by it's non-uniqueness property in the future. When
you're asked to diagnose a fault with a device with the IP address
192.168.1.1, and you've got an
Stephen Satchell wrote:
Is your customer using BIND?
They are using their co-lo's so I am unsure
What do the statistics tell you?
This is a dumb user that I'm dealing with. No experience.
Router to them means a police officer.
How many DNS servers are handling the traffic?
two (2)
Stephen Satchell wrote:
From your description, I'd say there was a lot more work to be done
first, unless they just don't have the people to do it right.
forgot, but when I talked to Rodney on the phone the other day he
reminded me that DNS is recursive and that if Verizon with their *own*
I would say somewhere around 4000 network interfaces (6-8 stats per int)
and around 1000 servers (8-10 stats per server) we started seeing
problems, both with navigation in the UI and with stats not reliably
updating. I did not try that poller, perhaps its worth trying it again
using it. I
I hear you on the double, triple nat nightmare, I'm there myself. I'm
working on rolling out VRFs to solve that problem, still testing. The
nat complexities and bugs (nat translations losing their mind and
killing connectivity for important apps) are just too much for some of
our
The problem is that you can't be sure that if you use RFC1918
today you won't be bitten by it's non-uniqueness property in
the future. When you're asked to diagnose a fault with a
device with the IP address 192.168.1.1, and you've got an
unknown number of candidate devices using that
On Jan 24, 2007, at 5:48 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The whole address conservation mantra has turned out to be a lot
of smoke and mirrors anyway.
At the time, yes, this particular issue was overhyped, just as the
routing-table-expansion issue was underhyped. As we move to an
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Behalf Of Jason LeBlanc
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 8:40 AM
To: Roland Dobbins
Cc: NANOG
Subject: Re: Google wants to be your Internet
I hear you on the double, triple nat nightmare, I'm there
On 24-Jan-2007, at 10:01, Jamie Bowden wrote:
Some days it kills
me that v6
is still not really viable, I keep asking providers where they're at
with it. Their most common complaint is that the operating systems
don't support it yet. They mention primarily Windows since
that is what
is most
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (david raistrick) writes:
I had a data center tour on Sunday where they said that the way they
provide space is by power requirements. You state your power
requirements, they give you enough rack/cabinet space to *properly*
house gear that consumers that
properly is
If there is nothing going on, does anyone know of a good sports bar to
watch the game at?
Ron Muir wrote:
Is there anything organized for the Super Bowl on Sunday Night? The last
time Super Bowl fell on a NANOG (NANOG 15) Sunday several of the sponsors
got together and had a Super Bowl party
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jason LeBlanc) writes:
After looking for 'the ideal' tool for many years, it still amazes me
that no one has built it. Bulk gets, scalable schema and good portal/UI.
RTG is better than MRTG, but the config/db/portal are still lacking.
if funding were available, i know
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...Some days it kills me that v6
is still not really viable, I keep asking providers where they're
at with it. Their most common complaint is that the operating
systems don't support it yet. They
Paul brings up a good point. How long before we call a colo provider
to provision a rack, power, bandwidth and a to/from connection in each
rack to their water cooler on the roof?
-Mike
On 24 Jan 2007 17:37:27 +, Paul Vixie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (david raistrick)
Paul Vixie wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jason LeBlanc) writes:
After looking for 'the ideal' tool for many years, it still amazes me
that no one has built it. Bulk gets, scalable schema and good portal/UI.
RTG is better than MRTG, but the config/db/portal are still lacking.
[..]
been there,
I see a reference in the response to RTG. RTG's claim to fame looks like
speed.
I've done some work with Cricket and have figured out a way to get at it's
schema. I've been looking at mating Cricket' s 'getter and schema with
Drraw and genDevConfig tools and putting a Mason based HTML
I see a reference in the response to RTG. RTG's claim to fame looks like
speed.
In comparison to RRDTOOL-based applications, RTG stores raw values rather
than cooked averages, allowing for a great deal more flexibility in analysis.
And you aren't limited to a temporally fixed window of
Maybe this is overly naïve, but what about the ability to auto-magically import
and search various vendor SNMP/WMI MIBs? I can think of 3 open source NMS that
do a good job if you set up all 3 to monitor the network, but they all overlap
and none of them really do a good job.
I also am using
I think the better questions are: when will customers be willing to pay for
it? and how much? :)
tv
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From: Mike Lyon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Paul Vixie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: nanog@merit.edu
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: Colocation in the
Maybe this is overly naïve, but what about the ability to
auto-magically import and search various vendor SNMP/WMI
MIBs? I can think of 3 open source NMS that do a good job if
you set up all 3 to monitor the network, but they all overlap
and none of them really do a good job.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeroen Massar) writes:
..., $5M over three years? spread out over 50 network owners that's
$3K a month. i don't see that happening in a consolidation cycle like
this one, but hope springs eternal. give randy and hank the money,
they'll take care of this for us once
On Wed, Jan 24, 2007 at 08:34:19AM -0500, Jason LeBlanc wrote:
I would say somewhere around 4000 network interfaces (6-8 stats per int)
and around 1000 servers (8-10 stats per server) we started seeing
problems, both with navigation in the UI and with stats not reliably
updating. I did
The current high watt cooling technologies are definately more expensive
(much more). Also, a facility would still need traditional forced to
maintain the building climate.
tv
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From: Todd Glassey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Tony Varriale [EMAIL PROTECTED];
Vendor S? :)
tv
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From: JC Dill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: nanog@merit.edu
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: Colocation in the US.
Robert Sherrard wrote:
Who's getting more than 10kW per cabinet and metered power from their
colo provider?
I
On 1/24/2007 3:05 PM, Paul Vixie wrote:
glibly said, sir. but i disasterously underestimated the amount of time
and money it would take to build BIND9. since i'm talking about a scalable
pluggable portable F/L/OSS framework that would serve disparite interests
and talk to devices that
Forwarding on for APNIC...
Original Message
Subject:[Apnic-announce] New APNIC IPv4 address ranges
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 16:00:03 +1000
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dear colleagues
APNIC received the
On 1/24/2007 2:46 PM, Ray Burkholder wrote:
WMI requires Windows Authentication, and if one is running Linux tools,
there are issues. I havn't come a cross an easy way to get to WMI from
Linux yet. Anyone have any suggestions?
I've been working on this for a while actually.
WMI is WBEM,
The agenda for the plenary sessions at NANOG 39 has been posted at
http://nanog.org/mtg-0702/topics.html
Times for the tutorial and BOF sessions, which will be held Monday
and Tuesday afternoons, will be updated soon.
See you in Toronto!
(U.S. residents: don't forget your passports...)
On Wed, 24 Jan 2007, Mark Boolootian wrote:
I see a reference in the response to RTG. RTG's claim to fame looks like
speed.
In comparison to RRDTOOL-based applications, RTG stores raw values rather
than cooked averages, allowing for a great deal more flexibility in analysis.
And you aren't
Speaking as the operator of at least one datacenter that was originally
built to water cool mainframes... Water is not hard to deal with, but it
has its own discipline, especially when you are dealing with lots of it
(flow rates, algicide, etc). And there aren't lots of great manifolds to
I think if someone finds a workable non-conductive cooling fluid that
would probably be the best thing. I fear the first time someone is
working near their power outlets and water starts squirting, flooding
and electricuting everyone and everything.
-Mike
On 1/24/07, Brandon Galbraith [EMAIL
On 1/24/07, Mike Lyon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think if someone finds a workable non-conductive cooling fluid that
would probably be the best thing. I fear the first time someone is
working near their power outlets and water starts squirting, flooding
and electricuting everyone and
On 1/24/07, Deepak Jain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Speaking as the operator of at least one datacenter that was originally
built to water cool mainframes... Water is not hard to deal with, but it
has its own discipline, especially when you are dealing with lots of it
(flow rates, algicide,
Hey all,
This seems a wee bit off topic, but definitely relates to network
operations (somewhere below layer 1) and I can't think of a better place
to ask.
Upon leaving a router at telx and asking one of their techs to plug in the
equipment for me, I came back to find all my cat5 cables
It's called cable lacing... And CO guys have done it forever. Looks really
pretty, but it's a pain in the butt to do. :) And sucks if you have to rip
a cable out to replace things.
Other than that, check out:
http://www.dairiki.org/hammond/cable-lacing-howto/
Cheers,
Scott
PS. A really
Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote:
Hey all,
This seems a wee bit off topic, but definitely relates to network
operations (somewhere below layer 1) and I can't think of a better
place to ask.
Upon leaving a router at telx and asking one of their techs to plug in
the equipment for me, I came
On Wed, Jan 24, 2007 at 07:30:06PM -0500, Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote:
Upon leaving a router at telx and asking one of their techs to plug in the
equipment for me, I came back to find all my cat5 cables neatly tied with
some sort of waxed twine, using an interesting looping knot pattern
On Wed, Jan 24, 2007 at 07:30:06PM -0500, Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote:
[...]
I came back to find all my cat5 cables neatly tied with some sort of
waxed twine, using an interesting looping knot pattern that repeated
every six inches or so using a single piece of string.
[...]
I have
On Wed, 24 Jan 2007, Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote:
equipment for me, I came back to find all my cat5 cables neatly tied with
some sort of waxed twine, using an interesting looping knot pattern that
repeated every six inches or so using a single piece of string. For some
reason, I found
I order it from www.tecratools.com, you can also get the lacing needles and
everything else you might need:
A somewhat decent resource:
http://www.tecratools.com/pages/tecalert/cable_lacing.html
Needles and lace:
http://www.tecratools.com/pages/telecom/cable_tools.html
I have seen some Qwest
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Upon leaving a router at telx and asking one of their techs to plug in the
equipment for me, I came back to find all my cat5 cables neatly tied with
some sort of waxed twine
it is called laced. very common among telephants.
when you leave the colo, you will
Here's some nice lacing on our FLM150 rack:
http://fiveforty.net/mux/Picture_010.jpg
http://fiveforty.net/mux/Picture_013.jpg
On Wed, Jan 24, 2007 at 07:30:06PM -0500, Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote:
Hey all,
This seems a wee bit off topic, but definitely relates to network
operations
Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote:
Upon leaving a router at telx and asking one of their techs to plug in
the equipment for me, I came back to find all my cat5 cables neatly
tied with some sort of waxed twine, using an interesting looping knot
pattern that repeated every six inches or so using
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of
Steve Rubin
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 4:50 PM
To: nanog@merit.edu
Subject: Re: Cable-Tying with Waxed Twine
Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote:
Hey all,
This seems a wee bit off
age of 35). Also you could ask your friendly local full license, old school
radio ham etc etc... It's a dying skill, not because it isn't good, but
because it takes training/practice and time. Tiewraps (Zip ties) are cheap,
quick and require little (if any) training.
When I sat my ham
On Wed, 24 Jan 2007, Chris Cahill wrote:
On another off topic note, does anyone know the origin of including
mints with telco rack gear? I often see this in rack screw bags,
shelves, adaptors, etc..
when you get stuck in a DC all damned night you get stinky breath, it's a
hint from your
Brandon Galbraith wrote:
On 1/24/07, Mike Lyon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think if someone finds a workable non-conductive cooling fluid that
would probably be the best thing. I fear the first time someone is
working near their power outlets and water starts squirting, flooding
and
Paul Vixie wrote:
i'm spec'ing datacenter space at the moment, so this is topical. at 10kW/R
you'd either cool ~333W/SF at ~30sf/R, or you'd dramatically increase sf/R
by requiring a lot of aisleway around every set of racks (~200sf per 4R
cage) to get it down to 200W/SF, or you'd compromise
The other thing I found interesting; The use of Zip Ties on Copper Cabling
is frowned upon by BICSI. Velcro preferred.
Something to do with the compression on a twisted-pair cable caused by
over-tight nylon cable ties screwing with their twist rates, and thus
changing their Crosttalk
On 1/24/07, Gadi Evron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How many OPK's are being released today.. anyone?
Ovulation Predictor Kits?
OEM Preinstallation Kits?
-dre
How about CO2?
tv
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From: Mike Lyon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Brandon Galbraith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Paul Vixie [EMAIL PROTECTED]; nanog@merit.edu
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 5:49 PM
Subject: Re: Colocation in the US.
I think if someone
If you have water for the racks:
we've all gotta have water for the chillers. (compressors pull too much power,
gotta use cooling towers outside.)
http://www.knuerr.com/web/en/index_e.html?products/miracel/cooltherm/cooltherm.html~mainFrame
i love knuerr's stuff. and with mainframes or
Confession time - I'm over 50
At 09:41 p.m. 24/01/2007 -0700, you wrote:
As for plastic ties (TyRap is the brand name for the Thomas Betts version)
they may be easy to use, but they do have several functional drawbacks,
including:
1) difficulty in maintaining consistent tension from tie to
Upon leaving a router at telx and asking one of their techs to plug
in the equipment for me, I came back to find all my cat5 cables neatly
tied with some sort of waxed twine, using an interesting looping knot
pattern that repeated every six inches or so using a single piece of
string. For
upgrading like crazy...
20070124-crafted-tcp seems obvious enough (though it would've been
good for PSIRT to indicate how small the leakage per packet is to
gauge CoPP values), but 20070124-crafted-ip-option likely should
tingle your spine.
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