Re: WTH does Paul do now?

2007-02-01 Thread Stefan Schmidt
On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 11:09:58PM -0500, Jon Lewis wrote: - The following addresses had permanent fatal errors - [EMAIL PROTECTED] (reason: 553 5.7.1 Service unavailable; Client host [69.28.69.2] blocked using reject-all.vix.com; reason / created) - Transcript

Re: WTH does Paul do now?

2007-02-01 Thread Joe Abley
On 1-Feb-2007, at 06:50, Stefan Schmidt wrote: Well... reject-all.vix.com. 3600IN NS ns.lah1.vix.com. reject-all.vix.com. 3600IN NS ns.sql1.vix.com. dig any 2.0.0.127.reject-all.vix.com @ns.sql1.vix.com gives status: REFUSED and as ns.lah1.vix.com does

Re: WTH does Paul do now?

2007-02-01 Thread Stefan Schmidt
On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 07:21:19AM -0500, Joe Abley wrote: ... or alternatively, that this is a private DNSRBL which has access restrictions. Yeah i was missing the while talking to sa.vix.com part in Jon's mail, sorry for the confusion. Stefan -- I refuse to answer that question

Re: what the heck do i do now?

2007-02-01 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 07:04:37PM -0800, Matthew Kaufman wrote: (As an example, consider what happens *to you* if a hospital stops getting emailed results back from their outside laboratory service because their email firewall is checking your server, and someone dies as a result of the

Re: what the heck do i do now?

2007-02-01 Thread Rich Kulawiec
We've told people for years that when they choose to use a DNSBL or RHSBL that they need to (a) subscribe to the relevant mailing list, if it has one and/or (b) periodically revisit the relevant web site, if it has one, so that they can keep themselves informed about any changes in its status or

Re: what the heck do i do now?

2007-02-01 Thread Roland Dobbins
On Jan 31, 2007, at 7:04 PM, Matthew Kaufman wrote: (As an example, consider what happens *to you* if a hospital stops getting emailed results back from their outside laboratory service because their email firewall is checking your server, and someone dies as a result of the delay)

Re: Birmingham UK colocation

2007-02-01 Thread David Freedman
You may want to contact Fibernet (now a Global Crossing company), they have some PoPs there with fiber and general connectivity. We are also present there and can provide connectivity, but not co-location. Dave. Andrew Gristina wrote: I have two racks in London UK. The colocation is

Re: WWPVD (was what the heck do I do know)

2007-02-01 Thread J. Oquendo
Why not write a real-time script and loop the querier right back to his own self... Luzer -- *.vix.com -- Luzer This sort of reminded me of the days of bandwidth raping where others used someone's own bandwidth to their own disadvantage. We've told people for years that when they choose to

Re: WWPVD (was what the heck do I do know)

2007-02-01 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 01 Feb 2007 09:29:12 CST, J. Oquendo said: Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law wrote: Bottom line is that in the absence of a promise -- explicit or implicit (!) -- to the contrary, you can usually turn off your gear and get on with your life Promissory Estoppel might

Re: what the heck do i do now?

2007-02-01 Thread Chris Owen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Feb 1, 2007, at 6:44 AM, Rich Kulawiec wrote: chuckle Perhaps you should list (in the zone) all IP addresses which are repeatedly querying the zone -- after announcing this policy, of course. ;-) Actually, looking at that list it looks

Re: WWPVD (was what the heck do I do know)

2007-02-01 Thread Jerry Pasker
If no one's been sued before because they've wild carded a defunct RBL, what's the big deal? When someone tries their best, goes out to an intelligent group to get their opinions, and spends a HUGE amount of effort, and incurs measurable monetary damage (bandwidth, time, etc) and when the

Re: Best way to supply colo customer with specific provider

2007-02-01 Thread Keith
Just curious, the customer wants to purchase cogent bandwidth through you instead of going directly? Wouldn't it be easier just to have Cogent run another connection to the Meet Me Room in your facility and just extend it to their cage or rack? This seems like a lot of over engineering to

NANOG 39 IPv6 Network Operations BOF

2007-02-01 Thread sdb
Hi, I'm going to be running the IPv6 Network Operations BOF at NANOG 39 in Toronto. The BOF will be held in Sheraton Hall B/C, 2pm to 3.30pm on Tuesday February 6th. A basic list of topics is available via the agenda page. If you have any other (relevant) issues you'd like to raise about

Re: WWPVD

2007-02-01 Thread J. Oquendo
I suppose in some universe, it *IS* possible that Paul could be found negligent by some jury trial and ordered to pay millions of dollars. But that's the same universe were swine routinely fly to and fourth across the green sky. Apparently you've never been in a jury trial and hopefully

TorIX Tours on Tuesday February 6

2007-02-01 Thread Joe Abley
[Apologies for the following non-operational content; if you are not coming to Toronto next week, hit delete now] For those attending NANOG 39 in Toronto next week who don't already see enough generic data centre space in their normal work week, there will be a TorIX tour on Tuesday

the authors of RFC 2317 have a question for att worldnet

2007-02-01 Thread Paul Vixie
(this must be my week for past-sins pennance related to RBL's.) today someone whose e-mail was blocked when they tried to send it to an att customer, asked the authors of RFC 2317 to please unblock their address. as the only such author whose e-mail address hasn't changed since RFC publication

Re: the authors of RFC 2317 have a question for att worldnet

2007-02-01 Thread Albert Meyer
I'm not from ATT, but that page contains three errors and three What to do sections. The section referring to RFC 2317 is for DNS errors: “550 Error. Blocked for status: unknown sender”: This error indicates that no identifying information has been entered into the DNS (Domain Name System)

Re: Best way to supply colo customer with specific provider

2007-02-01 Thread Joe Maimon
Rick Kunkel wrote: Hello all, Being relatively new to the colocation business, we run into a fair number of issues that we've never run into before. Got a new one today, and although I can think of kludgey ways to accomplish what he wants, I'd rather get some other ideas first... We

Re: the authors of RFC 2317 have a question for att worldnet

2007-02-01 Thread Al Iverson
On 2/1/07, Paul Vixie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (and btw, if you're going to block inbound e-mail, you need to give senders some idea of how to get unblocked. not for fairness, just for practicality. and this parenthesized paragraph is why i count this screed as not-off-topic.) Putting on my

Re: what the heck do i do now?

2007-02-01 Thread Scott Weeks
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:--- From: Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law [EMAIL PROTECTED] As an, ahem, lawyer, I think what you do and how you do it matter a lot ... Pulling a plug after reasonable/lots of warnings (did you miss anyone? how do you know for sure?) is

Re: what the heck do i do now?

2007-02-01 Thread Paul Vixie
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian Wallingford) writes: ... Considering the time passed since maps went defunct, Paul is entirely justified in doing whatever is necessary to cluebat the offending networks, imho. thanks for those supportive words. note that MAPS is not defunct. the domain

internet idealism (Re: what the heck do i do now?)

2007-02-01 Thread Paul Vixie
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian Wallingford) writes: Ultimately, the problem is that the idealism which was more or less the rule a decade ago has taken a backseat to commercialism ... i dunno about that. i see a lot of idealism still. volunteers at spamhaus, and within the da/mwp community, and

Re: WTH does Paul do now?

2007-02-01 Thread Paul Vixie
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jon Lewis) writes: Why do I even bother? (reason: 553 5.7.1 Service unavailable; \ Client host [69.28.69.2] blocked using reject-all.vix.com; \ reason / created) here's what you ran into. *.69.28.69.reject-all.vix.com. 1800 IN TXT reason sa.vix.com

Re: what the heck do i do now?

2007-02-01 Thread Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law
On Thu, 1 Feb 2007, Scott Weeks wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:--- From: Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law [EMAIL PROTECTED] As an, ahem, lawyer, I think what you do and how you do it matter a lot ... Pulling a plug after reasonable/lots of warnings (did you miss

Re: what the heck do i do now?

2007-02-01 Thread Paul Vixie
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jon Lewis) writes: As for trying to make it stop, the two methods thought to be most successful are: 1) maps.vix.com. 604800 IN NS . i've tried that. the retry rate actually goes up rather than down. 2) maps.vix.com. 604800 IN NS

Re: what the heck do i do now?

2007-02-01 Thread Barry Shein
Just add to your services price list high-reliability electronic mail service: $10,000/month or whatever with some general wording about how suitable it is for customers who rely on email for critical and high-dollar business dealings, life and death situations, and similar. Point to it from

Re: what the heck do i do now?

2007-02-01 Thread Matthew Sullivan
David Ulevitch wrote: Not offering a solution but a bit of an explanation perhaps... From: http://cr.yp.to/ucspi-tcp/rblsmtpd.html If you do not supply any -r options, rblsmtpd tries an RBL source of rbl.maps.vix.com. This will be changed in subsequent versions. So checking the last

Re: what the heck do i do now?

2007-02-01 Thread Jon Lewis
On Thu, 1 Feb 2007, Paul Vixie wrote: 1) maps.vix.com.604800 IN NS . i've tried that. the retry rate actually goes up rather than down. That's pretty messed up. I've tested both the strategies I suggested, and at least with both bind9 and DJB's dnscache, the caching

Re: what the heck do i do now?

2007-02-01 Thread bmanning
On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 12:08:32PM -0800, Scott Weeks wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:--- From: Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law [EMAIL PROTECTED] As an, ahem, lawyer, I think what you do and how you do it matter a lot ... Pulling a plug after reasonable/lots

Lightning talks at NANOG 39!

2007-02-01 Thread Steve Feldman
We have reserved one hour of the NANOG 39 agenda for Lightning Talks. A lightning talk is a very short presentation or speech by any attendee on any topic relevant to the NANOG audience. These are limited to ten minutes; this will be strictly enforced. If you have a topic that's timely,

Re: what the heck do i do now?

2007-02-01 Thread Barry Shein
On February 1, 2007 at 05:34 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roland Dobbins) wrote: On Jan 31, 2007, at 7:04 PM, Matthew Kaufman wrote: (As an example, consider what happens *to you* if a hospital stops getting emailed results back from their outside laboratory service because their email

Re: what the heck do i do now?

2007-02-01 Thread Tony Finch
On Thu, 1 Feb 2007, Paul Vixie wrote: thanks for those supportive words. note that MAPS is not defunct. the domain MAPS.VIX.COM is defunct, in favour of MAIL-ABUSE.ORG, which was originally an asset of MAPS LLC, then Kelkea, and lately Trend Micro. They seem to have preferred

Re: what the heck do i do now?

2007-02-01 Thread Ken Eddings
At 11:19 PM -0500 1/31/07, Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law wrote: As an, ahem, lawyer, I think what you do and how you do it matter a lot here. And it would be prudent to talk to someone who understood your facts and situation before doing some of the things discussed in this thread.

BellSouth OC192 Fiber Cut

2007-02-01 Thread Pablo Espinosa
I'm hearing reports of a Fiber Cut between College Park, GA and Tallahassee, FL. Can anyone chime in on specifics? thanks Pablo

Re: BellSouth OC192 Fiber Cut

2007-02-01 Thread Pablo Espinosa
Just received some individual threads with feedback. Thanks for the replies! On 2/1/07, Pablo Espinosa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm hearing reports of a Fiber Cut between College Park, GA and Tallahassee, FL. Can anyone chime in on specifics? thanks Pablo

SRI-NIC.ARPA 26.0.0.73

2007-02-01 Thread Sean Donelan
Do old packets ever go away on the Internet? How many DNS packets still wander towards SRI-NIC.ARPA's old root server at 26.0.0.73? At some point, regardless of what the lawyers say, you've got to make your own decision and move on. Things change on the Internet, if you don't maintain your

Re: BellSouth OC192 Fiber Cut

2007-02-01 Thread Fergie
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 - -- Pablo Espinosa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just received some individual threads with feedback. Thanks for the replies! Individual threads? Sweet. Send us pictures. ;-) - - ferg -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP Desktop 9.5.3

Re: what the heck do i do now?

2007-02-01 Thread Jay Hennigan
Set up a nameserver there. Configure it to return 127.0.0.2 (or whatever the old MAPS reply for spam was) to all queries. Let it run for a week. See if anything changes in terms of it getting hammered. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Impulse Internet