Routing public traffic across county boundaries in Europe

2007-07-26 Thread Andy Loukes
I think this is a pretty dumb question, because I presume this is how most organisations save money and provide resilience. What (if any) are the legal implications of taking internet destined traffic in one country and egressing it in another (with an ip block correctly marked for the correct

RE: Routing public traffic across county boundaries in Europe

2007-07-26 Thread Randy Epstein
Andy, I've always wondered this as well. Similar scenario, although not necessarily egress in a foreign country, but transiting through. For a brief period, we had an OC48 that carried packets on our network between Chicago and Seattle that traversed a router of ours in Vancouver, BC Canada.

Re: iPhone and Network Disruptions ...

2007-07-26 Thread Adrian Chadd
On Wed, Jul 25, 2007, Warren Kumari wrote: You have a couple of switches with STP turned off -- someone plugs in some random cable, forming a bridge loop... and everything continues running fine, until some time in the future when it all goes to hell in a hand-basket. Now, I could

Re: An Internet IPv6 Transition Plan

2007-07-26 Thread Stephen Wilcox
On Wed, Jul 25, 2007 at 06:15:23PM -0500, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: On 25-jul-2007, at 6:30, Stephen Wilcox wrote: I think the combined effect of these things means - we will not be running into a wall at any time - availability of IPs will slowly decrease over time (as cost slowly

Cogent issues in Chicago?

2007-07-26 Thread Brandon Galbraith
Anyone experiencing issues with their Cogent connectivity right now? -brandon

Re: An Internet IPv6 Transition Plan

2007-07-26 Thread John Curran
At 2:01 PM +0100 7/26/07, Stephen Wilcox wrote: well, the empirical data which is confirmed here is saying that those 10% are burning most of the v4 addresses and we are not seeing them rollout v6 whether they 'need to' or not Wow... you mean that they're not announcing general IPv6

Re: History of the EPO (Emergency Power Off)

2007-07-26 Thread Barry Shein
When I was designing a sizeable machine room at BU I remember getting into a bit of a debate with someone from buildings because they wanted (I think the numbers are right) 140F sprinklers and I wanted 175F sprinklers, images of an accidental sprinkler discharge dancing in my head (we had halon

Re: Why do we use facilities with EPO's?

2007-07-26 Thread Jason LeBlanc
I do. Hurricane Wilma, blew the roof off our building, water pouring in pooling under the floor and onto the PDUs and UPS (800amps of 480v). We wanted to save the data on the servers, had to hit the EPO to enter the room (anyone have an idea of how far that much power would arc?). It was

Level3 / Qwest routing issues earlier today?

2007-07-26 Thread Chris Riling
Hi Guys, Was anyone else seeing anything weird going on today? I have an OC-3 to Qwest, and another OC-3 to Level3, (among 2 others to different providers) and when all was well, I was receiving a little over 221,000 prefixes from L3. Then, intermittently I would start losing prefixes from

RE: Why do we use facilities with EPO's?

2007-07-26 Thread Randy Epstein
(snip) Put another way: Between a 120KVA UPS and a gang of experienced firefighters with charged hoses I'd put my money on the firefighters every time. -- -Barry Shein You realize the UPS systems we're speaking of are much larger? Usually 480 volt, many kVA. Randy

Re: Why do we use facilities with EPO's?

2007-07-26 Thread Barry Shein
On July 25, 2007 at 14:49 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (George William Herbert) wrote: Seems like the EPO should be a logical AND with the fire alarm system - it only works AFTER you have an existing fire alarm in the building. No, no. If the fire alarm system fails, the fire responders

RE: Where did freeipdb IP utility site go?

2007-07-26 Thread Joseph W. Breu
Are there any good tools for IPv6 address management? --- Thanks, - Joseph W. Breu, CCNA phone : +1.319.268.5228 Senior Network Administratorfax : +1.319.266.8158 Cedar Falls Utilities cell :

RE: Where did freeipdb IP utility site go?

2007-07-26 Thread Brandon Butterworth
Are there any good tools for IPv6 address management? There's so many bits they don't need managing brandon

Re: Why do we use facilities with EPO's?

2007-07-26 Thread George William Herbert
Barry wrote: I worked three years with the boston fire dept, albeit quite a few years ago, and rode into many fires and don't generally remember them being much concerned about hitting *anything* with a high-pressure stream of water if it's on fire. Remember all those rules you know about not

Re: Routing public traffic across county boundaries in Europe

2007-07-26 Thread Scott Francis
good luck with that :) On 7/26/07, Scott Weeks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What (if any) are the legal implications of taking internet destined traffic in one country and egressing it in another (with an ip block correctly marked for the correct country).

Re: An Internet IPv6 Transition Plan

2007-07-26 Thread David Barak
--- David Freedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I dont feel this sort of behaviour is helpful, I can understand asking for licensing fees for L2VPN/L3VPN technologies since these are products that service providers can levvy a reasonable charge for, but to charge for IPv6 routing

Re: Routing public traffic across county boundaries in Europe

2007-07-26 Thread Scott Weeks
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What (if any) are the legal implications of taking internet destined traffic in one country and egressing it in another (with an ip block correctly marked for the correct country). Somebody mentioned to me the other day that they thought the Dutch government

RE: Why do we use facilities with EPO's?

2007-07-26 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Warren Kumari Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 12:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Roy; nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: Why do we use facilities with EPO's? On Jul 26, 2007, at 12:16 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Why do we use facilities with EPO's?

2007-07-26 Thread Warren Kumari
On Jul 26, 2007, at 12:16 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:43:17 PDT, Roy said: Funny story about that and the EPO we have here... ... Story #1 Story #2 Story #3 Story #4 I'm still working at the place mentioned in a previous post -- I was only there for 3

AW: TWTC issue with Foundry routers?

2007-07-26 Thread Gunther Stammwitz
Hello Ryan, There was a bug in one of the elder firmwares that caused bgp-sessions to be reset when prefixes with more than 4 or maybe 6 communities were received. You should update your firmware - I think this issue has been resolved a long while ago. You can also check the

Re: TWTC issue with Foundry routers?

2007-07-26 Thread Ryan Harden
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As a Foundry user utilizing Communities this caught my eye...I found a similar post to Nanog last year that pointed me in the right direction on this I think. It seems the author of that post seems to have hit the nail on th head. Your debugging

Re: An Internet IPv6 Transition Plan

2007-07-26 Thread Stephen Wilcox
On Thu, Jul 26, 2007 at 06:21:59AM -0400, John Curran wrote: At 11:18 AM +0100 7/26/07, Stephen Wilcox wrote: um, so thats consistent with what i said.. in fact it implies only a very small number of organisations need to pay close attention and those are the ones best suited to

Re: An Internet IPv6 Transition Plan

2007-07-26 Thread John Curran
At 11:18 AM +0100 7/26/07, Stephen Wilcox wrote: um, so thats consistent with what i said.. in fact it implies only a very small number of organisations need to pay close attention and those are the ones best suited to implementing policy changes to ensure their users continue to have a good

RE: Why do we use facilities with EPO's?

2007-07-26 Thread Randy Epstein
FWIW, do you imagine that's terribly large for urban firefighters in the big scheme of things, not just computer rooms? My memory could be wrong but I remember the John Hancock building, 60 stories, pulls about 1.5MW...I remember Boston Edison mentioning this in discussing a design I was

RE: Why do we use facilities with EPO's?

2007-07-26 Thread Barry Shein
On July 26, 2007 at 16:25 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Randy Epstein) wrote: (snip) Put another way: Between a 120KVA UPS and a gang of experienced firefighters with charged hoses I'd put my money on the firefighters every time. -- -Barry Shein You realize the UPS

Re: Routing public traffic across county boundaries in Europe

2007-07-26 Thread Miquel van Smoorenburg
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Scott Weeks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What (if any) are the legal implications of taking internet destined traffic in one country and egressing it in another (with an ip block correctly marked for the correct country). Somebody

Re: An Internet IPv6 Transition Plan

2007-07-26 Thread Robert Boyle
At 01:22 PM 7/26/2007, you wrote: Let us not forget that network vendors are now capitalising on the requirement to purchase expensive licensing for such features as native IPv6 routing and 6PE, on their mid to high end kit. I dont feel this sort of behaviour is helpful, I can understand

Re: Why do we use facilities with EPO's?

2007-07-26 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:43:17 PDT, Roy said: Funny story about that and the EPO we have here... ... Story #1 Story #2 Story #3 So about 4 -5 years ago, we were in the middle of a major renovation of our server room. Moving machines all over the place, trying to clear about 6K contiguous

Reliance / Flag telecom buys Yipes - $300m

2007-07-26 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2007/07/18/stories/2007071850650400.htm -- Suresh Ramasubramanian ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

Re: Why do we use facilities with EPO's?

2007-07-26 Thread Stephen Wilcox
On Wed, Jul 25, 2007 at 07:47:48PM -0400, David Lesher wrote: I've never designed or looked into a EPO installation; but I'm astonished such does not use a Normally-Closed pushbutton in a fail-to-off circuit. Similarly... If you have electric locks on your exit doors; every installation

RE: Level3 / Qwest routing issues earlier today?

2007-07-26 Thread David Hubbard
From: Chris Riling Hi Guys, Was anyone else seeing anything weird going on today? I have an OC-3 to Qwest, and another OC-3 to Level3, (among 2 others to different providers) and when all was well, I was receiving a little over 221,000 prefixes from L3. Then, intermittently I

Re: An Internet IPv6 Transition Plan

2007-07-26 Thread Stephen Wilcox
On Thu, Jul 26, 2007 at 01:25:51PM -0400, John Curran wrote: At 2:01 PM +0100 7/26/07, Stephen Wilcox wrote: well, the empirical data which is confirmed here is saying that those 10% are burning most of the v4 addresses and we are not seeing them rollout v6 whether they 'need to' or not

Re: San Francisco Power Outage

2007-07-26 Thread Ben Scott
On 7/25/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... fire department evacuating the data center, cutting off electricity in the area, and forbidding the diesel generators to be switched on? I know a guy who was at the US Data Centers Inc facility in Marlborough, MA (before USDCI

DNSSEC deployment at IANA (was Re: DNS Hijacking by Cox)

2007-07-26 Thread Sean Donelan
On Sun, 22 Jul 2007, Steven M. Bellovin wrote: And people wonder why I support DNSsec Followups probably should go to the DNS mailing lists At IEPG, IANA gave an update on the progress being made to implement signing of the root/infrastructure-tlds zones.

Re: Routing public traffic across county boundaries in Europe

2007-07-26 Thread Lionel Elie Mamane
On Thu, Jul 26, 2007 at 08:52:55AM +0100, Andy Loukes wrote: What (if any) are the legal implications of taking internet destined traffic in one country and egressing it in another (with an ip block correctly marked for the correct country). Somebody mentioned to me the other day that they

Re: Where did freeipdb IP utility site go?

2007-07-26 Thread randal k
Incredibly enough, I contacted the maintainer about this a while ago. Here is the cut paste: Looks like we forgot to renew the domain registration. I was leaning towards the idea of moving it to something like sourceforge, but I wanted to clean up some things first. The page is available at:

Re: History of the EPO (Emergency Power Off)

2007-07-26 Thread Barton F. Bruce
Many years ago when we were much, much smaller, the EPO was wired to a special EPO circuit breaker on the main panel which fed the subpanel for the datacenter room. A short on that breaker was like pressing the test switch on a GFCI breaker. Do most people who do have functional (as opposed

Telenor AS8210 and AS8434 technical contact?

2007-07-26 Thread Anonymous List User
I must apologize for posting this anonymously. Can anybody provide me with a technical contact at Telenor (AS8210 and AS8434) to discuss European Teleport / VSAT network issues? Thanks...

Re: An Internet IPv6 Transition Plan

2007-07-26 Thread David Freedman
James R. Cutler wrote: Cost of operating v4/v6 combined for some time includes, among other things: 1. Help Desk calls resulting from confused customers wanting configuration help. 2. Memory for Routing Information for IPv4 plus IPv6. 3. Help Desk calls resulting from errors by confused