Re: IPv6 network boundaries vs. IPv4

2007-08-27 Thread Jason LeBlanc
OT: He probably meant MOP and LAT are not routable, man that brings back memories. Kevin Oberman wrote: Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 23:56:29 -0600 From: John Osmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is anyone out there setting up routing boundaries differently for IPv4 and IPv6? I'm

Re: 2M today, 10M with no change in technology? An informal survey.

2007-08-27 Thread Eric Gauthier
Heya, My understanding is that there are no known algorithms for fast updates (and particularly withdrawals) on aggregated FIBs, especially if those FIBs are stored in CIDR form. This is the prime reason why all those Cisco 65xx/76xx with MSFC2/PFC2 will be worthless junk in a couple of

Re: 2M today, 10M with no change in technology? An informal survey.

2007-08-27 Thread Jon Lewis
On Mon, 27 Aug 2007, Eric Gauthier wrote: Do we have a real date for when this occurs? If you aren't doing uRPF, I thought they ran up to 256,000 routes. (I may not recall correctly) We ran into this hiccup a few months ago on a Sup720-3B (well, a 3BXL which mistakenly had a 3B card in the

Re: IPv6 network boundaries vs. IPv4

2007-08-27 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 26-aug-2007, at 7:56, John Osmon wrote: Is anyone out there setting up routing boundaries differently for IPv4 and IPv6? I'm setting up a network where it seems to make sense to route IPv4, while bridging IPv6 -- but I can be talked out of it rather easily. Why would you want to do that?

Re: IPv6 network boundaries vs. IPv4

2007-08-27 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 23:56:29 MDT, John Osmon said: Is anyone out there setting up routing boundaries differently for IPv4 and IPv6? I'm setting up a network where it seems to make sense to route IPv4, while bridging IPv6 -- but I can be talked out of it rather easily. We decided to map our

ICMP being dropped between Global Crossings and Onvoy

2007-08-27 Thread Brian Raaen
I have a network (AS33234) I am trying to support that is downstream from Onvoy on one of their connections. Our monitoring equipment is located in AS4452. Our monitoring system is not able to ping their network through Onvoy. The block seems to be happening at either Global Crossings or

Re: Market for diversity

2007-08-27 Thread Bill Stewart
On 8/26/07, Jason LeBlanc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: More on point for this thread, I always have new vendors bring in fiber maps and show me their paths. Images of the intended path specified on the map are part of the contract, including verbage regarding failover paths. Once I know where

Operational Feedback Requested on Pending Standard

2007-08-27 Thread Ted Seely
All, Below is an email sent to the IETF OPS Area mailing list soliciting feedback from operators regarding firewalls. We would also appreciate feedback from the Operators Mailing Lists. Please respond to the OPS Area mailing list if you have a position on the item below. You can subscribe

Re: IPv6 network boundaries vs. IPv4

2007-08-27 Thread John Osmon
On Mon, Aug 27, 2007 at 07:12:54AM -0400, Jason LeBlanc wrote: OT: He probably meant MOP and LAT are not routable, man that brings back memories. Yeah, I realy did, but my fingers typed 'decnet isn't routable' because that how the folks I worked with at the time described the issue. I was

Re: Operational Feedback Requested on Pending Standard

2007-08-27 Thread Peter Dambier
Hi Ted, develloping IASON I did run into that problem. Among other things IASON was meant to read the configuration of a device and the things connected to it. When e.g. a switch port was bad, a device was unplugged and plugged into another port, then IASON was meant to reconfigure the switch,

RE: IPv6 network boundaries vs. IPv4

2007-08-27 Thread John van Oppen
We did the same thing... It seems easiest from a management perspective to copy the ipv4 logical layer with v6. The only change on our side was the fixed prefix length which if anything was a nice change. We did run into a few devices (old layer 3 switches) that don't support ipv6 and on

Any MSN/Live Mail Admin Contacts?

2007-08-27 Thread Raymond L. Corbin
Hello, I'm experiencing a lot of problems with about 8 of our outbound mail gateways to the MSN/Live mail servers throughout the day. Are there any mail/sysadmins on this list, or anyone that can get me in contact with someone there, as the general postmaster support is less then fourth coming

Re: 2M today, 10M with no change in technology? An informal survey.

2007-08-27 Thread Deepak Jain
According to this link, which alleges to be from cisco-nsp, an MSFC2 can hold 256,000 entries in its FIB of which 12,000 are reserved for Multicast. I do not know if the 12,000 can be set to serve the general purpose. The MSFC2 therefore can server 244,000 routes without uRPF turned on.

Re: Any MSN/Live Mail Admin Contacts?

2007-08-27 Thread Martin Hannigan
On 8/27/07, Raymond L. Corbin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I'm experiencing a lot of problems with about 8 of our outbound mail gateways to the MSN/Live mail servers throughout the day. Are there any mail/sysadmins on this list, or anyone that can get me in contact with someone there,

Re: 2M today, 10M with no change in technology? An informal survey.

2007-08-27 Thread David Conrad
On Aug 27, 2007, at 2:49 PM, Deepak Jain wrote: According to this link, which alleges to be from cisco-nsp, an MSFC2 can hold 256,000 entries in its FIB of which 12,000 are reserved for Multicast. I do not know if the 12,000 can be set to serve the general purpose. The MSFC2 therefore

Re: 2M today, 10M with no change in technology? An informal survey.

2007-08-27 Thread Deepak Jain
David Conrad wrote: On Aug 27, 2007, at 2:49 PM, Deepak Jain wrote: According to this link, which alleges to be from cisco-nsp, an MSFC2 can hold 256,000 entries in its FIB of which 12,000 are reserved for Multicast. I do not know if the 12,000 can be set to serve the general purpose.

Re: 2M today, 10M with no change in technology? An informal survey.

2007-08-27 Thread Jon Lewis
On Mon, 27 Aug 2007, David Conrad wrote: Any reasonably valid way of predicting when we'll hit 244,000 routes in the default-free zone? Um? Real Soon Now? ... I must be missing something obvious (or should I be dusting off my unused Y2K survival gear?) Unlike Y2K, the end of the useful

Re: 2M today, 10M with no change in technology? An informal survey.

2007-08-27 Thread David Conrad
Jon, On Aug 27, 2007, at 5:50 PM, Jon Lewis wrote: Any reasonably valid way of predicting when we'll hit 244,000 routes in the default-free zone? Real Soon Now? According to Geoff, the BGP table is growing at around 3500 routes per month, so we're looking at blowing out MSFC2s in about 3

Re: 2M today, 10M with no change in technology? An informal survey.

2007-08-27 Thread John A. Kilpatrick
On Mon, 27 Aug 2007, Jon Lewis wrote: Of course there are other reasons to upgrade (better CPU, MPLS, IPv6, etc.), Now if this was a dust old MSFC2 that was like 5 years old I'd say ok. The problem is twofold: 1. Cisco is still selling the 7600 with the Sup32 bundle (which is what we

Re: 2M today, 10M with no change in technology? An informal survey.

2007-08-27 Thread John Curran
At 8:50 PM -0400 8/27/07, Jon Lewis wrote: Unlike Y2K, the end of the useful service life up the Sup2 can easily be pushed further away in time. ASnum NetsNow NetsAggrNetGain % GainDescription There's really only 151129 routes you need to have full routes.

Re: 2M today, 10M with no change in technology? An informal survey.

2007-08-27 Thread Jon Lewis
On Tue, 28 Aug 2007, Chris L. Morrow wrote: On Mon, 27 Aug 2007, John A. Kilpatrick wrote: a reasonable solution to this problem - especially if they want to keep selling the 7600 as a router. and here I always looked at the 6500 as a switch... And the 7600 is a router? :)

Re: 2M today, 10M with no change in technology? An informal survey.

2007-08-27 Thread Chris L. Morrow
On Mon, 27 Aug 2007, John A. Kilpatrick wrote: a reasonable solution to this problem - especially if they want to keep selling the 7600 as a router. and here I always looked at the 6500 as a switch...

Re: 2M today, 10M with no change in technology? An informal survey.

2007-08-27 Thread Jon Lewis
On Mon, 27 Aug 2007, John A. Kilpatrick wrote: 1. Cisco is still selling the 7600 with the Sup32 bundle (which is what we bought) and saying you can take a full route table on it. I could already do MPLS and IPv6 on this box. This is pretty new hardware. Where are they saying that? The

Re: 2M today, 10M with no change in technology? An informal survey.

2007-08-27 Thread Jon Lewis
On Tue, 28 Aug 2007, Chris L. Morrow wrote: On Tue, 28 Aug 2007, Chris L. Morrow wrote: On Mon, 27 Aug 2007, John A. Kilpatrick wrote: a reasonable solution to this problem - especially if they want to keep selling the 7600 as a router. and here I always looked at the 6500 as a switch...

Re: 2M today, 10M with no change in technology? An informal survey.

2007-08-27 Thread Chris L. Morrow
On Mon, 27 Aug 2007, Jon Lewis wrote: On Tue, 28 Aug 2007, Chris L. Morrow wrote: On Mon, 27 Aug 2007, John A. Kilpatrick wrote: a reasonable solution to this problem - especially if they want to keep selling the 7600 as a router. and here I always looked at the 6500 as a switch...

Re: 2M today, 10M with no change in technology? An informal survey.

2007-08-27 Thread Justin M. Streiner
On Tue, 28 Aug 2007, Chris L. Morrow wrote: And the 7600 is a router? :) I thought it was just a 6500 that sommeone got drunk and tipped over on it's side, like a cow... I still needle my Cisco rep about that from time to time. IMHO, the 6500/7600 split was one of the dumbest, most

Re: 2M today, 10M with no change in technology? An informal survey.

2007-08-27 Thread Hex Star
On 8/27/07, Justin M. Streiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought it was just a 6500 that sommeone got drunk and tipped over on it's side, like a cow... http://farm.tucows.com/images/2006/07/cow_tipping.jpg :D

Re: 2M today, 10M with no change in technology? An informal survey.

2007-08-27 Thread Chris L. Morrow
On Mon, 27 Aug 2007, Jon Lewis wrote: On Tue, 28 Aug 2007, Chris L. Morrow wrote: I thought it was just a 6500 that sommeone got drunk and tipped over on it's side, like a cow... And tagged with some white paint. Though if you've kept up with the latest IOS developments, cisco is

Re: 2M today, 10M with no change in technology? An informal survey.

2007-08-27 Thread Donald Stahl
1. Cisco is still selling the 7600 with the Sup32 bundle (which is what we bought) and saying you can take a full route table on it. I could already do MPLS and IPv6 on this box. This is pretty new hardware. Where are they saying that? The Sup32 sounded great until it became clear that

NANOG Humour (Re: 2M today, 10M with no change in technology? An informal survey.)

2007-08-27 Thread Alex Pilosov
On Mon, 27 Aug 2007, Hex Star wrote: On 8/27/07, Justin M. Streiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought it was just a 6500 that sommeone got drunk and tipped over on it's side, like a cow... http://farm.tucows.com/images/2006/07/cow_tipping.jpg :D While its occasionally

Re: 2M today, 10M with no change in technology? An informal survey.

2007-08-27 Thread John A. Kilpatrick
On 8/27/07 7:36 PM, Chris L. Morrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and here I always looked at the 6500 as a switch... It switches, it routes, it makes julienne fries... -- John A. Kilpatrick [EMAIL PROTECTED]Email| http://www.hypergeek.net/

SNMP Trap Alarm?

2007-08-27 Thread Deepak Jain
Ok, I could have picked a better title. I'm looking for a pointer to a box (pref. an embedded platform of some kind) that will receive/accept SNMP traps and sound a real world alarm/siren/klaxon. It can do fancy things like logging and such, but not strictly required. I could build one,

Re: 2M today, 10M with no change in technology? An informal survey.

2007-08-27 Thread Alex Pilosov
On Mon, 27 Aug 2007, Jon Lewis wrote: Though if you've kept up with the latest IOS developments, cisco is finally differentiating the platforms we've assumed for years were only different in angle and paint. 6500's won't get to run the newest 7600 code. I think Cisco is coming to their

Re: 2M today, 10M with no change in technology? An informal survey.

2007-08-27 Thread John A. Kilpatrick
On 8/27/07 9:39 PM, Donald Stahl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thankfully I don't need to take a full table on these routers and their forwarding speed among the few ports I have is more important than the FIB size. That said- if I did need the full table I would be royally ticked off at Cisco

Re: 2M today, 10M with no change in technology? An informal survey.

2007-08-27 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Mon, 27 Aug 2007, Deepak Jain wrote: Where do the FIBs break on older 12000 series and M-series routers? (or pick the *next* most popular piece of network equipment that is used in full-routes scenarios). On the 12000, I'd give the following observations on the state of the older