RE: Can P2P applications learn to play fair on networks?

2007-10-29 Thread michael.dillon
And of course, if you still believe just adding bandwidth will solve the problems Joe St. Sauver probably said it best when he pointed out in slide 5 here http://www.uoregon.edu/~joe/i2-cap-plan/internet2-capacity-planning.ppt the N-body problem can be a complex problem to try to

Re: Can P2P applications learn to play fair on networks?

2007-10-29 Thread Stefan Bethke
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: If P2P software relied on an ISP middlebox to mediate the transfers, then each middlebox could optimize the local situation by using a whole smorgasbord of tools. Are there any examples of middleware being adopted by the market? To me, it looks like the clear

Re: IPv6 firewall support

2007-10-29 Thread David Freedman
Have to say, using screenOS 5.4 on our juniper kit and relatively happy. Elsewhere, if you just want a packet filter, v6 ACLs are fine, depending of course whether they are done in hardware or software and if this is appropriate for your application (i.e , ACL in software path is perfectly

114/8 and 115/8 allocated to APNIC

2007-10-29 Thread Leo Vegoda
Hi, The IANA IPv4 registry has been updated to reflect the allocation of two /8 IPv4 blocks to APNIC in October 2007: 144/8 and 115/8. You can find the IANA IPv4 registry at: http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space Please update your filters as appropriate. Regards, Leo

RE: Can P2P applications learn to play fair on networks?

2007-10-29 Thread Fred Reimer
That and the fact that an ISP would be aiding and abetting illegal activities, in the eyes of the RIAA and MPAA. That's not to say that technically it would not be better, but that it will never happen due to political and legal issues, IMO. Fred Reimer, CISSP Senior Network Engineer Coleman

Re: 114/8 and 115/8 allocated to APNIC

2007-10-29 Thread Leo Vegoda
On 29 Oct 2007, at 16:44, Leo Vegoda wrote: The IANA IPv4 registry has been updated to reflect the allocation of two /8 IPv4 blocks to APNIC in October 2007: 144/8 and 115/8. You can find the IANA IPv4 registry at: I made a typo in the body of this mail. APNIC was allocated 114/8 and not

Re: Can P2P applications learn to play fair on networks?

2007-10-29 Thread Joel Jaeggli
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And of course, if you still believe just adding bandwidth will solve the problems Joe St. Sauver probably said it best when he pointed out in slide 5 here http://www.uoregon.edu/~joe/i2-cap-plan/internet2-capacity-planning.ppt the N-body problem can be a

RE: Can P2P applications learn to play fair on networks?

2007-10-29 Thread Sean Donelan
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007, Fred Reimer wrote: That and the fact that an ISP would be aiding and abetting illegal activities, in the eyes of the RIAA and MPAA. That's not to say that technically it would not be better, but that it will never happen due to political and legal issues, IMO. As always

Re: RIPE is just more fun.

2007-10-29 Thread Barrett Lyon
Jared, I yanked the mp3 out of the youtube flv: http://blyon.com/ routers_died.mp3 -Barrett On Oct 26, 2007, at 1:19 PM, Jared Mauch wrote: On Fri, Oct 26, 2007 at 03:42:27PM -0400, Leo Bicknell wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y36fG2Oba0 Cool. Time for a remix as

RE: Can P2P applications learn to play fair on networks?

2007-10-29 Thread michael.dillon
When we put the application intelligence in the network. We have to upgrade the network to support new applications. I believe that's a mistake from the application innovation angle. Putting middleboxes into an ISP is not the same thing as putting intelligence into the network. Think Akamai

RE: Can P2P applications learn to play fair on networks?

2007-10-29 Thread Fred Reimer
The RIAA is specifically going after P2P networks. As far as I know, they are not going after Squid users/hosts. Although they may have at one point, it has never made the popular media as their effort against the P2P networks has. I'm not talking about caching at all anyway. I'm talking about

Re: Any help for Yahoo! Mail arrogance?

2007-10-29 Thread Tuc at T-B-O-H.NET
On 10/29/07, Tuc at T-B-O-H.NET [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunately, we cannot provide you with specific information other than to suggest a review of the questionnaire we supplied and try to determine where your mailing practices may be improved upon. In other words,

Re: RIPE is just more fun.

2007-10-29 Thread Michael Greb
Barrett Lyon wrote: On Fri, Oct 26, 2007 at 03:42:27PM -0400, Leo Bicknell wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y36fG2Oba0 I yanked the mp3 out of the youtube flv: http://blyon.com/routers_died.mp3 -Barrett Better, now we just need a higher quality MP3 from the source :/ -- Michael

re: Any help for forwarding Yahoo! Mail?

2007-10-29 Thread Jim Popovitch
On Mon, 2007-10-29 at 13:31 -0400, Tuc at T-B-O-H.NET wrote: No, they aren't in the business to teach someone who's been in the industry all his life, and run Managed Server Companies for over 11 years... Define run... you have piqued my curiosity on this issue. Please only reply to

Re: Any help for forwarding Yahoo! Mail?

2007-10-29 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 14:33:57 EDT, Jim Popovitch said: Please only reply to the list, not to From:/Reply-To: AND the list You could at least have set a Reply-To: so that those people who mindlessly hit 'reply' would have your desired reply destination already filled in. Requesting that people

Re: Any help for forwarding Yahoo! Mail?

2007-10-29 Thread Jim Popovitch
On Mon, 2007-10-29 at 14:53 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 14:33:57 EDT, Jim Popovitch said: Please only reply to the list, not to From:/Reply-To: AND the list You could at least have set a Reply-To: so that those people who mindlessly hit 'reply' would have your

RE: Can P2P applications learn to play fair on networks?

2007-10-29 Thread Frank Bulk
There's a large installed based of asymmetric speed internet access links. Considering that even BPON and GPON solutions are designed for asymmetric use, too, it's going to take a fiber-based Active Ethernet solution to transform access links to change the residential experience to something

Dynamically Changing Exit Policy (iBGP)

2007-10-29 Thread Benjamin Howell
Is there a generally accepted method of automatically altering exit policies within an AS? I'd like to dynamically change from best-exit to a hot potato exit policy when an internal DS3 fails. We fail over to a much lower bandwidth link and would like to avoid sending anything but internal

Re: Can P2P applications learn to play fair on networks?

2007-10-29 Thread John Kristoff
On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 12:50:32 -0400 (EDT) Sean Donelan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Comcast's network is QOS DSCP enabled, as are many other large provider networks. Enterprise customers use QOS DSCP all the time. However, the net neutrality battles last year made it politically impossible for

Re: Dynamically Changing Exit Policy (iBGP)

2007-10-29 Thread Benjamin Howell
On Mon, Oct 29, 2007 at 04:53:50PM -0400, Deepak Jain wrote: You can nail down your announcements to external peers by tying their network blocks to a route-of-last resort on one of your loopbacks. This will prevent flapping externally. Point taken, but it's actually difficult to nail down

Re: Dynamically Changing Exit Policy (iBGP)

2007-10-29 Thread Deepak Jain
Perhaps a drawing of your architecture might make your travails more clear? Benjamin Howell wrote: On Mon, Oct 29, 2007 at 04:53:50PM -0400, Deepak Jain wrote: You can nail down your announcements to external peers by tying their network blocks to a route-of-last resort on one of your

Re: Any help for Yahoo! Mail arrogance?

2007-10-29 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
On Oct 29, 2007 11:01 PM, Tuc at T-B-O-H.NET [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fix your forwarding a lot better. Not sure what this means. My machines are MX's for the clients domain. They accept it, and either forward it around locally to one of the processing MX's or ARE one one of the

Re: Any help for Yahoo! Mail arrogance?

2007-10-29 Thread Martin Hannigan
On 10/29/07, Tuc at T-B-O-H.NET [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/29/07, Tuc at T-B-O-H.NET [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunately, we cannot provide you with specific information other than to suggest a review of the questionnaire we supplied and try to determine where

Re: Dynamically Changing Exit Policy (iBGP)

2007-10-29 Thread Jon Lewis
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007, Benjamin Howell wrote: On Mon, Oct 29, 2007 at 04:53:50PM -0400, Deepak Jain wrote: You can nail down your announcements to external peers by tying their network blocks to a route-of-last resort on one of your loopbacks. This will prevent flapping externally. Point