RE: large-scale wireless [was: cpu needed to NAT 45mbs]

2007-11-13 Thread Frank Bulk
If you're going with Extricom you don't need to worry about channel planning beyond adding more channel blankets. Frank -Original Message- From: Carl Karsten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 10:56 PM To: nanog@merit.edu Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Adrian Chadd;

Re: large-scale wireless [was: cpu needed to NAT 45mbs]

2007-11-13 Thread Elmar K. Bins
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Frank Bulk) wrote: If you're going with Extricom you don't need to worry about channel planning beyond adding more channel blankets. Is that based on marketing, theory (based on the whitepapers and patent descriptions) or practical experience? Elmar.

RE: large-scale wireless [was: cpu needed to NAT 45mbs]

2007-11-13 Thread Frank Bulk
Elmar: Marketing and theory -- I haven't had a chance to test it myself. BTW, I'm not regurgitating Extricom's marketing rhetoric when I say you don't need to worry about channel planning -- their product is designed with that specifically in mind. The technical benefits and caveats of this

General question on rfc1918

2007-11-13 Thread Drew Weaver
Hi there, I just had a real quick question. I hope this is found to be on topic. Is it to be expected to see rfc1918 src'd packets coming from transit carriers? We have filters in place on our edge (obviously) but should we be seeing traffic from 192.168.0.0 and 10.0.0.0 et cetera

Re: General question on rfc1918

2007-11-13 Thread Joe Abley
On 13-Nov-2007, at 10:08, Drew Weaver wrote: Hi there, I just had a real quick question. I hope this is found to be on topic. Is it to be expected to see rfc1918 src'd packets coming from transit carriers? You should not send packets with RFC1918 source or destination

RE: General question on rfc1918

2007-11-13 Thread Darden, Patrick S.
They do. What you are seeing are probably forged packets. Nmap etc. all let you forge SIP, in fact they automate it. One Nmap mode actually actively obfuscates network scans by doing random SIPs--e.g. 10,000 random SIPs and one real one--this makes it hard to figure out who is actually

Re: General question on rfc1918

2007-11-13 Thread Justin M. Streiner
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007, Drew Weaver wrote: Hi there, I just had a real quick question. I hope this is found to be on topic. Is it to be expected to see rfc1918 src'd packets coming from transit carriers? I would recommend grilling your carriers to find out why they're not dropping packets

Re: General question on rfc1918

2007-11-13 Thread Joe Greco
Hi there, I just had a real quick question. I hope this is found to be on topic. Is it to be expected to see rfc1918 src'd packets coming from transit carriers? We have filters in place on our edge (obviously) but should we be seeing traffic from 192.168.0.0 and 10.0.0.0 et

Re: General question on rfc1918

2007-11-13 Thread Robert Bonomi
From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Nov 13 09:12:04 2007 Cc: nanog@merit.edu nanog@merit.edu From: Joe Abley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Drew Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: General question on rfc1918 Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 10:10:26 -0500 On 13-Nov-2007, at 10:08, Drew Weaver wrote:

Re: General question on rfc1918

2007-11-13 Thread Joe Abley
On 13-Nov-2007, at 10:35, Robert Bonomi wrote: On 13-Nov-2007, at 10:08, Drew Weaver wrote: Hi there, I just had a real quick question. I hope this is found to be on topic. Is it to be expected to see rfc1918 src'd packets coming from transit carriers? You should not send packets

RE: General question on rfc1918

2007-11-13 Thread Drew Weaver
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007, Drew Weaver wrote: Hi there, I just had a real quick question. I hope this is found to be on topic. Is it to be expected to see rfc1918 src'd packets coming from transit carriers? I would recommend grilling your carriers to find out why they're not dropping packets

Re: General question on rfc1918

2007-11-13 Thread Sean Donelan
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007, Drew Weaver wrote: Is it to be expected to see rfc1918 src'd packets coming from transit carriers? Yes. Any ISP which uses RFC1918 on internal links may generate various ICMP error packets (e.g. traceroute/TTL expire, PMTU discovery/Fragmentation required, etc) from

Re: General question on rfc1918

2007-11-13 Thread Phil Regnauld
Joe Abley (jabley) writes: You drop the packet at your border before it is sent out to the Internet. This is why numbering interfaces in the data path of non-internal traffic is a bad idea. Unfortunately many providers have the bad habit of using RFC1918 for

VLANs

2007-11-13 Thread Rodney Joffe
Are any of you operators utilizing VLANs to/with your transit providers in order to isolate traffic types or services, and/or to assist in traffic shaping before it hits your transit connections (isolating the effects of DDoS's)? Would you be prepared to share experiences, do's/don'ts,

Re: VLANs

2007-11-13 Thread Christopher Morrow
On 11/13/07, Rodney Joffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are any of you operators utilizing VLANs to/with your transit providers in order to isolate traffic types or services, and/or to assist in traffic shaping before it hits your transit connections (isolating the effects of DDoS's)? There was

Re: large-scale wireless [was: cpu needed to NAT 45mbs]

2007-11-13 Thread Jeff Kell
Frank Bulk wrote: Foundry OEMs from Meru, which also uses a single-channel approach. It does not have an L1 requirement. Meru APs tunnel back to the controller, so any old L3 will do. We took an AP home (just for grins) and it still worked back to our controller through residential

Re: VLANs

2007-11-13 Thread Bill Woodcock
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007, Christopher Morrow wrote: There was once a customer at a past job that used a sacrificial T1 to do this... They'd just announce/next-hop the attacked thing to the T1 interface, apparently remembering that there was BHR community available (and

Comcast SMTP problems

2007-11-13 Thread up
This is probably just regional, but here in SE PA, I've had a few customers who send their outgoing mail through smtp.comcast.net getting internal queueing error. Anybody find what it is or was and when/if it was fixed? TIA, James Smallacombe PlantageNet, Inc. CEO and

Re: large-scale wireless [was: cpu needed to NAT 45mbs]

2007-11-13 Thread Casey Callendrello
Hard-earned knowledge: Meru's single-channel approach has some compatability issues with certain drivers, most notably Lenovo laptops with the Atheros chipset. If you decide to go that route, make sure you have a USB key lying around with the latest drivers from the Lenovo site for the T60's

RE: large-scale wireless [was: cpu needed to NAT 45mbs]

2007-11-13 Thread Frank Bulk
Also, some issues with Intel, too: http://www.intel.com/support/wireless/wlan/sb/cs-006205.htm http://listserv.educause.edu/cgi-bin/wa.exe?A2=ind0608L=wireless-lanD=1H= 1T=0P=5230 I know that this has been at least somewhat addressed, but I'm not sure if they are fully addressed. Regards,

FCC rules for backup power

2007-11-13 Thread Sean Donelan
Proposed new FCC rules for backup power sources for central offices, cell sites, remote switches, digital loops, etc. For the first time, the FCC is considering specific backup power time requirements of 24 hours for central offices and 8 hours for outside plant and cell sites. Although

Re: FCC rules for backup power

2007-11-13 Thread Wayne E. Bouchard
On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 03:07:03PM -0500, Sean Donelan wrote: Proposed new FCC rules for backup power sources for central offices, cell sites, remote switches, digital loops, etc. For the first time, the FCC is considering specific backup power time requirements of 24 hours for

Re: FCC rules for backup power

2007-11-13 Thread Mike Lyon
What? The gov't putting their nose in where it shouldn't be? NEVER! -Mike On Nov 13, 2007 1:00 PM, Wayne E. Bouchard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 03:07:03PM -0500, Sean Donelan wrote: Proposed new FCC rules for backup power sources for central offices, cell

Re: FCC rules for backup power

2007-11-13 Thread Deepak Jain
One of the results of the changes is that there will probably be fewer COs in the world of the future. They strictly speaking aren't required as often as they used to be, and more and more infrastructure will be deemed end-powered or outside plant anyway. If everything goes fiber to the

Re: FCC rules for backup power

2007-11-13 Thread Jared Mauch
On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 01:15:53PM -0800, Mike Lyon wrote: What? The gov't putting their nose in where it shouldn't be? NEVER! I must say, if you're a provider with US presence and you're not paying attention to the FCC, DHS (NCS, NCSD) and possibly that thing called NSTAC you may wake

Re: FCC rules for backup power

2007-11-13 Thread Mike Lyon
I do find it very interesting with all of what has happened post 9/11. Or maybe it's just more in the open now since then. But now we have the gov't putting there noses into everything network related it seems. For example, the Patriot Act (not saying this is good bad, i'll leave my thoughts to

Re: FCC rules for backup power

2007-11-13 Thread Sean Donelan
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007, Wayne E. Bouchard wrote: On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 03:07:03PM -0500, Sean Donelan wrote: Can you find the FCC proposed 24-hours of backup power at this CO after Hurricane Katrina? http://www.thecentraloffice.com/Katrina/lkctla.jpg