Re: v6 subnet size for DSL leased line customers

2007-12-27 Thread sthaug
Personally, I'm not a big fan of DHCPv6. First of all, from a philosophical standpoint: I believe that stateless autoconfiguration is a better model in most cases (although it obviously doesn't support 100% of the DHCP functionality). But apart from that, some of the choices made

Re: v6 subnet size for DSL leased line customers

2007-12-27 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 26 dec 2007, at 22:40, Leo Bicknell wrote: If you're a shop that uses such features today (MAC/Port tracking, DHCP snooping, etc) to secure your IPv4 infrastructure does IPv6 RA's represent a step backwards from a security perspective? Would IPv6 deployment be hindered until there is

Re: v6 subnet size for DSL leased line customers

2007-12-27 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 27 dec 2007, at 11:57, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Configure this stuff manually may work for a small number of customers. It is highly undesirable (and probably won't be considered at all) in an environment with, say, 1 million customers. Of course not. But RAs on a subnet with a million

Re: v6 subnet size for DSL leased line customers

2007-12-27 Thread sthaug
Configure this stuff manually may work for a small number of customers. It is highly undesirable (and probably won't be considered at all) in an environment with, say, 1 million customers. Of course not. But RAs on a subnet with a million customers doesn't work either, nor does DHCP

Re: v6 subnet size for DSL leased line customers

2007-12-27 Thread Mark Smith
On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 11:27:13 +0100 Iljitsch van Beijnum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 26 dec 2007, at 22:40, Leo Bicknell wrote: snip It would be very interesting to me if the answer was it's moot because we're going to move to CGA's as a step forward; it would be equally

Re: v6 subnet size for DSL leased line customers

2007-12-27 Thread Mark Smith
On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 12:11:54 +0100 Iljitsch van Beijnum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 27 dec 2007, at 11:57, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Configure this stuff manually may work for a small number of customers. It is highly undesirable (and probably won't be considered at all) in an

Re: v6 subnet size for DSL leased line customers

2007-12-27 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Thu, Dec 27, 2007 at 11:27:13AM +0100, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: 100% of the DHCP functionality). But apart from that, some of the choices made along the way make DHCPv6 a lot harder to use than DHCP for IPv4. Not only do you lack a default gateway (which is

Re: v6 subnet size for DSL leased line customers

2007-12-27 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Dec 27, 2007 5:27 AM, Iljitsch van Beijnum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With IPv4, a lot of these features are developed by vendors and (sometimes) later standardized in the IETF or elsewhere. With IPv6, the vendors haven't quite caught up with the IETF standardization efforts yet, so the

Re: v6 subnet size for DSL leased line customers

2007-12-27 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 27 dec 2007, at 12:44, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree that DHCPv6 prefix delegation (for instance a /56) to a CPE which provides configuration to hosts on its LAN side sounds like a reasonable model. It requires the customer to have a CPE with actual *router* functionality, as opposed to

Re: v6 subnet size for DSL leased line customers

2007-12-27 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 27 dec 2007, at 20:26, Christopher Morrow wrote: With IPv4, a lot of these features are developed by vendors and (sometimes) later standardized in the IETF or elsewhere. With IPv6, the vendors haven't quite caught up with the IETF standardization efforts yet, so the situation is samewhat

Re: v6 subnet size for DSL leased line customers

2007-12-27 Thread Mark Smith
On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 22:57:59 +0100 Iljitsch van Beijnum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 27 dec 2007, at 20:26, Christopher Morrow wrote: snip Taken to its extreme feature parity means a search and replace of all IPv4 specs to make every instance of 32 bits 128 bits but not changing

Re: v6 subnet size for DSL leased line customers

2007-12-27 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Thu, Dec 27, 2007 at 10:57:59PM +0100, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: It is wih IPv6: you just connect the ethernet cable and the RAs take care of the rest. _You_ _really_ _don't_ _need_ _DHCP_ _for_ _IPv6_. If you need extreme control then manual configuration will

South America Peering

2007-12-27 Thread AD
hello, does anyone have any experience with peering in S. America? I am looking to move a lot of data between NewYork/LA and a few south american countries and looking for some ISPs that have reliable peering into those countries. Any recommendations would be appreciated. The one i did find

Re: v6 subnet size for DSL leased line customers

2007-12-27 Thread Scott Weeks
First, thanks everyone for the discussion. I learned more from this than a LOT of other discussions on IPv6. I now have a plan and I didn't before... It looks to me that one really has to know his customer's needs to plan out the allocation of IPv6 space. That leads me to believe that a

[DCHPv6] was Re: v6 subnet size for DSL leased line customers

2007-12-27 Thread James R. Cutler
And, besides the list forwarded below, Designated printers, Preferred DNS Servers, and, maybe, more. Even in a large enterprise, the ratio of routers to DHCP servers makes control of many end system parameters via DHCP a management win compared to configuration of routers with this

Re: South America Peering

2007-12-27 Thread Robert Boyle
At 07:39 PM 12/27/2007, AD wrote: hello, does anyone have any experience with peering in S. America? I am looking to move a lot of data between NewYork/LA and a few south american countries and looking for some ISPs that have reliable peering into those countries. Any recommendations

Re: v6 subnet size for DSL leased line customers

2007-12-27 Thread Robert E. Seastrom
Leo Bicknell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message written on Thu, Dec 27, 2007 at 10:57:59PM +0100, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: It is wih IPv6: you just connect the ethernet cable and the RAs take care of the rest. _You_ _really_ _don't_ _need_ _DHCP_ _for_ _IPv6_. If you need

Re: South America Peering

2007-12-27 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On Dec 27, 2007, at 9:44 PM, Robert Boyle wrote: At 07:39 PM 12/27/2007, AD wrote: does anyone have any experience with peering in S. America? I am looking to move a lot of data between NewYork/LA and a few south american countries and looking for some ISPs that have reliable peering

Re: v6 subnet size for DSL leased line customers

2007-12-27 Thread Marshall Eubanks
On Dec 27, 2007, at 9:50 PM, Robert E. Seastrom wrote: Leo Bicknell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message written on Thu, Dec 27, 2007 at 10:57:59PM +0100, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: It is wih IPv6: you just connect the ethernet cable and the RAs take care of the rest. _You_ _really_

Re: [DCHPv6] was Re: v6 subnet size for DSL leased line customers

2007-12-27 Thread David Barak
I have a modest proposal for providing the functionality of DHCPv4 in IPv6 autoconf: How about using the mechanism in RFC 5075 to specify all of these variables as RA flags? And as long as the variables also get defined as DHCPv6 fields, perhaps we could plan on having prefix delegation

Re: v6 subnet size for DSL leased line customers

2007-12-27 Thread Mark Smith
On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 18:08:10 -0800 Scott Weeks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First, thanks everyone for the discussion. I learned more from this than a LOT of other discussions on IPv6. I now have a plan and I didn't before... It looks to me that one really has to know his customer's

Re: v6 subnet size for DSL leased line customers

2007-12-27 Thread Randy Bush
Ever calculated how many Ethernet nodes you can attach to a single LAN with 2^46 unicast addresses? you mean operationally successfully, or just for marketing glossies? randy

Re: v6 subnet size for DSL leased line customers

2007-12-27 Thread Mark Smith
On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 12:57:45 +0900 Randy Bush [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ever calculated how many Ethernet nodes you can attach to a single LAN with 2^46 unicast addresses? you mean operationally successfully, or just for marketing glossies? Theoretically. What I find a bit hard to

Re: v6 subnet size for DSL leased line customers

2007-12-27 Thread Adrian Chadd
On Fri, Dec 28, 2007, Mark Smith wrote: Once I realised that IPv6's fixed sized node addressing model was similar to Ethernet's, I then started wondering why Ethernet was like it was - and then found a paper that explains it : 48-bit Absolute Internet and Ethernet Host Numbers

Re: v6 subnet size for DSL leased line customers

2007-12-27 Thread Mark Smith
On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 13:36:56 +0900 Adrian Chadd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Dec 28, 2007, Mark Smith wrote: Once I realised that IPv6's fixed sized node addressing model was similar to Ethernet's, I then started wondering why Ethernet was like it was - and then found a paper that