Re: BGP Filtering

2008-01-19 Thread Andy Davidson
On 15 Jan 2008, at 16:11, Ben Butler wrote: As a transit consumer - why would I want to carry all this cr*p in my routing table, I would still be getting a BGP route to the larger prefix anyway - let my transit feeds sort out which route they use traffic engineering. Maybe you don't get

RE: An Attempt at Economically Rational Pricing: Time Warner Trial

2008-01-19 Thread Rod Beck
Because the industry needs to attract capital, which is difficult when the payback period on capital expenditures continunes to climb and hence the rate of return continues to fall. The incumbents love to talk about what a great quarter they had selling DSL. But very few (if any) will

Re: Network Operator Groups Outside the US

2008-01-19 Thread Max Tulyev
Hi All, Ukrainian NOG: [EMAIL PROTECTED], no site (yet?), almost all discussions are in Russian (some few - in Ukrainian). Meets near Kiev (the capital of Ukraine) every last weekend of May (Provaiderovka), but this meetings are not open for everybody. -- WBR, Max Tulyev (MT6561-RIPE,

Re: An Attempt at Economically Rational Pricing: Time Warner Trial

2008-01-19 Thread Scott McGrath
No we do not however we are allocated a invariant budget to deliver services for a fixed period of time.We cannot 'raise' prices as the pot of funds needs to be allocated to scholarship, teaching, housing and all the other things which make up a university we provide a service which must

Re: An Attempt at Economically Rational Pricing: Time Warner Trial

2008-01-19 Thread Joe Greco
Condensing a few messages into one: Mikael Abrahamsson writes: Customers want control, that's why the prepaid mobile phone where you get an account you have to prepay into, are so popular in some markets. It also enables people who perhaps otherwise would not be eligable because of bad

Re: request for help w/ ATT and terminology

2008-01-19 Thread Andy Davidson
On 17 Jan 2008, at 12:45, Jeff McAdams wrote: Tony Li wrote: On Jan 16, 2008, at 1:37 PM, Mike Donahue wrote: Anyway, it's all getting (for us) pretty complicated. We're a fairly small firm and just want an Ethernet handoff with our IP block on it. Sprint didn't blink at the request,

Re: request for help w/ ATT and terminology

2008-01-19 Thread Rubens Kuhl Jr.
multi-homed. ATT says they'll give us a temporary ASN, and want us to do eBGP for our netblock. They sent the technical information over today, and they want two distinct routers to act as the bgp peers... Two different Quagga instances running on different loopback addresses on the same

Re: BGP Filtering

2008-01-19 Thread Jon Lewis
On Sat, 19 Jan 2008, Andy Davidson wrote: On 15 Jan 2008, at 16:11, Ben Butler wrote: As a transit consumer - why would I want to carry all this cr*p in my routing table, I would still be getting a BGP route to the larger prefix anyway - let my transit feeds sort out which route they use

Re: request for help w/ ATT and terminology

2008-01-19 Thread William Herrin
On Jan 19, 2008 11:48 AM, Andy Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's some debate in RIPE land right now that discusses, what actually is the automatic, free, right to PI ? Every other network in the world pays the cost when someone single homes but wants their / 24 prefix on everyone

Re: Charter.com DNS Administrator

2008-01-19 Thread Daniel Roesen
On Fri, Jan 18, 2008 at 06:39:14PM -0800, S. Ryan wrote: Anyone know how one would get a hold of a Charter.com DNS Administrator? $ dig charter.com soa +short ns1.charter.com. ipaddressing.chartercom.com. 2008017401 7200 3600 604800 86400 Try [EMAIL PROTECTED] Regards, Daniel -- CLUE-RIPE

RE: An Attempt at Economically Rational Pricing: Time Warner Trial

2008-01-19 Thread Rod Beck
If service is metered, it doesn't imply 25 cents a minute. It would probably be based on bytes transferred and would probably be less expensive for the bulk of users than the current flat rate pricing. If the cable companies are telling the truth, roughly 5% of their customers generate 50% of

Re: An Attempt at Economically Rational Pricing: Time Warner Trial

2008-01-19 Thread Taran Rampersad
Rod Beck wrote: Ironically, the Net Neutrality debate is about the access providers trying to impose usage-based pricing through the backdor - on the content providers. It goes without saying I oppose it. It's the end users who decide what they view and hence ultimately generate the

RE: An Attempt at Economically Rational Pricing: Time Warner Trial

2008-01-19 Thread Frank Bulk - iNAME
Except if the cable companies want to get rid of the 5% of heavy users, they can't raise the prices for that 5% and recover their costs. The MSOs want it win-win: they'll bring prices for metered access slightly lower than unlimited access, making it attractive for a large segment of the user

Re: Network Operator Groups Outside the US

2008-01-19 Thread Nathan Ward
On 17/01/2008, at 1:55 AM, Skeeve Stevens wrote: NZNog – The New Zealand Operator Group - http://www.nznog.org/ - 2008 Conference will be held in a couple of week - http://2008.nznog.org/ s/a couple of/1/ It starts this coming Wednesday, and goes until Friday. -- Nathan Ward

qwest outage?

2008-01-19 Thread Daniel
Anyone currently aware of a Qwest outage? My qwest sites are down, even qwest.com daniel

Re: qwest outage?

2008-01-19 Thread Jeff Shultz
Daniel wrote: Anyone currently aware of a Qwest outage? My qwest sites are down, even qwest.com http://qwest.com daniel Nope. traceroute www.qwest.com traceroute to www.qwest.com (155.70.40.252), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 192.168.255.1 (192.168.255.1) 0.287 ms 0.232 ms 0.332

Re: qwest outage?

2008-01-19 Thread Daniel
Yea. it came back up right after I sent that e mail. My sites are now up again as well. On Jan 19, 2008 11:15 PM, Jeff Shultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Daniel wrote: Anyone currently aware of a Qwest outage? My qwest sites are down, even qwest.com http://qwest.com daniel Nope.

RE: qwest outage?

2008-01-19 Thread Frank Bulk
Funny, I saw nothing on Qwest's stat site, either: http://stat.qwest.net/statqwest/perfRptIndex.jsp http://stat.qwest.net/index_flash.html Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Shultz Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 12:16 AM To:

Re: qwest outage?

2008-01-19 Thread Daniel
Yes it looks like Qwest wasn't having problems. The issues we were seeing appear to be related to ATT. On Jan 20, 2008 12:08 AM, Frank Bulk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Funny, I saw nothing on Qwest's stat site, either: http://stat.qwest.net/statqwest/perfRptIndex.jsp

Re: Massive ATT outage?

2008-01-19 Thread John Kinsella
Saw Significant Issues in San Francisco starting at 9:17 PM, things seemed to flap for about 40 mins, then stabalize, and I'm seeing issues pick up again in the last 10 minutes or so. Little Rock, AR also did see some issues...didn't seem as bad, but I don't have as much load going into there on