Re: NetworkSolutions - Was: Re: v6 gluelessness

2008-01-24 Thread Roque Gagliano
Two years ago Pablo and I did a survey to check the advance of IPv6 implementations on Latin-American ccTLDs, you can find the doc here: http://www.lac.ipv6tf.org/docs/Survey_ccTLD_LACv2.pdf This is not based on the user experience but on a survey that the ccTLD managers answered. We asked

Re: EU Official: IP Is Personal

2008-01-24 Thread Roland Perry
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Fred Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes What I find interesting here is the Jekyll/Hyde nature of it. European ISPs are required to keep expensive logs of the behavior of subscribers for forensic data mining, accessible under subpoena, for extensive periods like

Re: EU Official: IP Is Personal

2008-01-24 Thread Roland Perry
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Sean Donelan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes In the US, folks are fighting the RIAA claiming that an IP address isn't enough to identify a person. In Europe, folks are fighting the Google claiming that an IP address is enough to identify a person. I guess it depends

Re: EU Official: IP Is Personal

2008-01-24 Thread Eric Gauthier
Heya, In the US, folks are fighting the RIAA claiming that an IP address isn't enough to identify a person. In Europe, folks are fighting the Google claiming that an IP address is enough to identify a person. I guess it depends on which side of the pond you are on. They are

RE: EU Official: IP Is Personal

2008-01-24 Thread Rod Beck
I am frankly shocked that some people claim that you cannot identify people by the IP address. There was a scandal in the States where a well known ISP released search records and the New York Times was able to identify individuals using the IP address together with the search records. If a

Re: EU Official: IP Is Personal

2008-01-24 Thread Fred Baker
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jan 24, 2008, at 12:50 PM, Roland Perry wrote: no fundamental contradiction in the proposition that private sector information can be mandated to be kept for minimum periods, is confidential, but nevertheless can be acquired by lawful

Re: EU Official: IP Is Personal

2008-01-24 Thread J. Oquendo
Rod Beck wrote: I am frankly shocked that some people claim that you cannot identify people by the IP address. There was a scandal in the States where a well known ISP released search records and the New York Times was able to identify individuals using the IP address together with the search

RE: EU Official: IP Is Personal

2008-01-24 Thread Rod Beck
I refer you to the following posting: Our University uses dynamic addressing but we are able to identify likely users in response to the RIAA stuff. There is a hidden step in here, at least for our University, in the IP-to-Person mapping. Our network essentially tracks the IP-to-MAC

Re: EU Official: IP Is Personal

2008-01-24 Thread J. Oquendo
Rod Beck wrote: I refer you to the following posting: It is easy to back into people's identity. So simple even a caveman can do it http://www.klcconsulting.net/smac/ -- J. Oquendo SGFA #579 (FW+VPN v4.1) SGFE #574 (FW+VPN v4.1) wget

Re: EU Official: IP Is Personal

2008-01-24 Thread Jeff McAdams
Eric Gauthier wrote: Heya, In the US, folks are fighting the RIAA claiming that an IP address isn't enough to identify a person. In Europe, folks are fighting the Google claiming that an IP address is enough to identify a person. I guess it depends on which side of the pond you are on.

Re: EU Official: IP Is Personal

2008-01-24 Thread Roland Perry
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], J. Oquendo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Putting aside for a moment the issue of whose dollars pay for it there is no fundamental contradiction in the proposition that private sector information can be mandated to be kept for minimum periods, is confidential, but

Re: EU Official: IP Is Personal

2008-01-24 Thread J. Oquendo
Rod Beck wrote: With all due respect, it is easy back into a person's identity or a household's identity using the IP address together with other information. It's done all the time by ISPs for law enforcement and it's fruitless for you to deny it. No one said it wasn't easy all I'm

Re: EU Official: IP Is Personal

2008-01-24 Thread Scott McGrath
We have a similar system based around Cisco's CNR which is a popular DHCP/DNS system used by large ISP's and other large organization and it is the IP+Timestamp coupled with the owner to MAC relationship which allows unique identification of a user and we have strict data retention policies

RE: EU Official: IP Is Personal

2008-01-24 Thread Rod Beck
Hi Jeff, I agree. But gives a lot more information that most people will be comfortable disclosing. It may not guarantee identity, but it can help narrow it down to a household or billing account. I think it is time that privacy trump business interests. Roderick S. Beck Director of

Re: EU Official: IP Is Personal

2008-01-24 Thread Robin Stevens
On Wed, Jan 23, 2008 at 04:44:55PM -0800, Lou Katz wrote: On Wed, Jan 23, 2008 at 05:52:41PM -0500, Sean Donelan wrote: In the US, folks are fighting the RIAA claiming that an IP address isn't enough to identify a person. In Europe, folks are fighting the Google claiming that an IP

Re: EU Official: IP Is Personal

2008-01-24 Thread J. Oquendo
Robin Stevens wrote: Can IP addresses always identify a unique individual? Definitely not, not even to those of us with access to the logs. NAT, MAC-spoofing, shared/multi-user systems and so forth still get in the way from time to time. Newer technologies such as 802.11x will stop some

Re: NetworkSolutions - Was: Re: v6 gluelessness

2008-01-24 Thread Matt Larson
On Wed, 23 Jan 2008, Christopher Morrow wrote: o netsol understands glue REGISTRY part of NetSol here, I think David means the REGISTRAR part no? To my knowledge, there is no registry part of Network Solutions. Network Solutions and VeriSign are two distinct companies with distinct

Re: NetworkSolutions - Was: Re: v6 gluelessness

2008-01-24 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Jan 24, 2008 10:55 AM, Matt Larson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 23 Jan 2008, Christopher Morrow wrote: o netsol understands glue REGISTRY part of NetSol here, I think David means the REGISTRAR part no? To my knowledge, there is no registry part of Network Solutions.

Re: NetworkSolutions - Was: Re: v6 gluelessness

2008-01-24 Thread Randy Bush
Network Solutions appears to have some level of support for RRs because I am aware of domain names registered through them that have RRs. it is pushing glue to the parent zone, com et alia, that is the problem. randy

Re: EU Official: IP Is Personal

2008-01-24 Thread Owen DeLong
I'm sorry, but, I have a great deal of difficulty seeing how an IP can be considered personally identifying. For example, in my home, I have static addresses. However, the number of different people using those addresses would, to me, imply that you cannot personally identify anyone

Re: EU Official: IP Is Personal

2008-01-24 Thread Joel Jaeggli
Owen DeLong wrote: I'm sorry, but, I have a great deal of difficulty seeing how an IP can be considered personally identifying. In the case the german regulator is dealing with the ip address is not be considered exclusive of the rest of a data set. The question is given a commercially

Re: EU Official: IP Is Personal

2008-01-24 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:35:41 PST, Owen DeLong said: I'm sorry, but, I have a great deal of difficulty seeing how an IP can be considered personally identifying. I dunno. I think I have a pretty good guess of who 192.159.10.227 is, or at least who it was as of 14:35 -0800 today.

Re: EU Official: IP Is Personal

2008-01-24 Thread Scott Francis
On Jan 24, 2008 6:10 AM, Scott McGrath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have a similar system based around Cisco's CNR which is a popular DHCP/DNS system used by large ISP's and other large organization and it is the IP+Timestamp coupled with the owner to MAC relationship which allows unique

Re: EU Official: IP Is Personal

2008-01-24 Thread fred
I dunno. I think I have a pretty good guess of who 192.159.10.227 is, or at least who it was as of 14:35 -0800 today. Well, let me ask you you think 171.70.120.60 is. I'll give you a hint; at this instant, there are 72 of us. Here's another question. Whom would you suspect 171.71.241.89 is? At

Re: EU Official: IP Is Personal

2008-01-24 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 20:39:53 PST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: What we can do with IP addresses is conclude that the user of the machine with an address is likely to be one of its usual users. We can't say that with 100% certainty, because there are any number of ways people can get unusual

RE: Level3 in the Midwest is KIA

2008-01-24 Thread Frank Bulk
Ah, that old-age problem of designing redundancy to cover one failure, but not two. Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Justin Shore Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 4:41 PM To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: Level3 in the Midwest is

Re: EU Official: IP Is Personal

2008-01-24 Thread Owen DeLong
On Jan 24, 2008, at 8:55 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 20:39:53 PST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: What we can do with IP addresses is conclude that the user of the machine with an address is likely to be one of its usual users. We can't say that with 100% certainty, because

Re: EU Official: IP Is Personal

2008-01-24 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 22:33:20 PST, Owen DeLong said: And oddly enough, license plates on cars act *exactly the same way* - but nobody seems at all surprised when police can work backwards from a plate and come up with a suspect (who, admittedly, may not have been involved if the car

Re: EU Official: IP Is Personal

2008-01-24 Thread Matt Palmer
On Thu, Jan 24, 2008 at 10:33:20PM -0800, Owen DeLong wrote: On Jan 24, 2008, at 8:55 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 20:39:53 PST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: What we can do with IP addresses is conclude that the user of the machine with an address is likely to be one of its