Re: Abuse response [Was: RE: Yahoo Mail Update]

2008-04-16 Thread Joe Abley
On 16 Apr 2008, at 13:33 , Simon Waters wrote: Ask anyone in the business if I want a free email account who do I use.. and you'll get the almost universal answer Gmail. I think amongst those not in the business there are regional trends, however. Around this neck of the woods (for some

Re: Abuse response [Was: RE: Yahoo Mail Update]

2008-04-15 Thread Joe Abley
On 15 Apr 2008, at 11:22 , William Herrin wrote: There's a novel idea. Require incoming senior staff at an email company to work a month at the abuse desk before they can assume the duties for which they were hired. At a long-previous employer we once toyed with the idea of having

Re: Problems sending mail to yahoo?

2008-04-11 Thread Joe Abley
On 10 Apr 2008, at 23:58 , Rob Szarka wrote: At 02:23 PM 4/10/2008, you wrote: Maybe we all should do the same to them until they quit spewing out all the Nigerian scams and the like that I've been seeing from their servers lately! If there were an coordinated boycott, I would

Re: rack power question

2008-03-25 Thread Joe Abley
On 25 Mar 2008, at 09:11 , Dorn Hetzel wrote: It would sure be nice if along with choosing to order servers with DC or AC power inputs one could choose air or water cooling. Or perhaps some non-conductive working fluid instead of water. That might not carry quite as much heat as water,

Re: Transition Planning for IPv6 as mandated by the US Govt

2008-03-17 Thread Joe Abley
On 17-Mar-2008, at 06:07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you're providing content or network services on v6 and you don't have both a Teredo and 6to4 relay, you should - there are more v6 users on those two than there are on native v6[1]. Talk to me and I'll give you a

Re: load balancing and fault tolerance without load balancer

2008-03-14 Thread Joe Abley
On 14-Mar-2008, at 12:42, Joe Shen wrote: Is there any way to solve problem above? The approach described in http://www.nanog.org/mtg-0505/abley.cluster.html would probably work, so long as the routers choosing between the ECMP routes are able to make route selections per flow, and

Re: IPv6 on SOHO routers?

2008-03-12 Thread Joe Abley
On 12-Mar-2008, at 16:06, Frank Bulk - iNAME wrote: Slightly off-topic, but tangentially related that I'll dare to ask. I'm attending an Emerging Communications course where the instructor stated that there are SOHO routers that natively support IPv6, pointing to Asia specifically. Do

Re: IETF Journal Announcement (fwd)

2008-02-28 Thread Joe Abley
On 27-Feb-2008, at 15:09, Mark Smith wrote: Don't worry if the ISOC website times out, their firewall isn't TCP ECN compatible. Isn't it the case in the real world that the Internet isn't TCP ECN compatible? I thought people had relegated that to the nice idea but, in practice, waste

Re: Qwest desires mesh to reduce unused standby capacity

2008-02-28 Thread Joe Abley
On 28-Feb-2008, at 01:56, Paul Wall wrote: UU/MFS tried running IP on the 'protect' path of their SONET rings 10 years ago. It didn't work then. Well, it works so long as whoever was trying to troubleshoot the circuits at 3am on US Thanksgiving understands that having the system switch

Re: Qwest desires mesh to reduce unused standby capacity

2008-02-28 Thread Joe Abley
On 28-Feb-2008, at 09:26, Adrian Chadd wrote: Then you probably haven't been on the ass end of a continental fibre link drop. That actually mattered. If both sides of your SONET ring drop, then surely you're as dead in the water as you would be if each side of the ring was being used as

Re: Aggregation for IPv4-compatible IPv6 address space

2008-02-04 Thread Joe Abley
On 4-Feb-2008, at 00:19, Scott Morris wrote: You mean do you have to express it in hex? There are two related things here: (a) the ability to represent a 32- bit word in an IPv6 address in the form of a dotted-quad, and (b) the legitimacy of an IPv6 address of the form ::A.B.C.D, where

Re: Cost per prefix [was: request for help w/ ATT and terminology]

2008-01-20 Thread Joe Abley
On 20-Jan-2008, at 15:34, William Herrin wrote: Perhaps your definition of entry level DFZ router differs from mine. I selected a Cisco 7600 w/ sup720-3bxl or rsp720-3xcl as my baseline for an entry level DFZ router. A new cisco 2851 can be found for under $10k and can take a gig of RAM.

Re: v6 gluelessness

2008-01-18 Thread Joe Abley
On 18-Jan-2008, at 18:56, Randy Bush wrote: The .com/.net registry has supported RRs for over five years (since May, 2002). The issue you may be encountering is that not every .com/.net registrar supports them. way cool. do you happen to know if opensrs registrars have a path to do

Re: v6 gluelessness

2008-01-18 Thread Joe Abley
On 18-Jan-2008, at 05:39, Randy Bush wrote: similarly for the root, as rip.psg.com serves some tlds. The request has to come from a TLD manager (anyone which uses rip.psg.com) i can go down the hall to the mirror and ask myself to ask me to do it. :) :-) but, of course, you would get

Re: Network Operator Groups Outside the US

2008-01-17 Thread Joe Abley
On 16-Jan-2008, at 07:09, Rod Beck wrote: 6. I am not aware of any Dutch per se ISP conferences although that market is certainly quite vibrant. I am also disappointed to see the Canadians and Irish have next to nothing despite Ireland being the European base of operations for Google,

Re: BGP Filtering

2008-01-15 Thread Joe Abley
On 15-Jan-2008, at 11:40, Ben Butler wrote: Defaults wont work because a routing decision has to be made, my transit originating a default or me pointing a default at them does not guarantee the reachability of all prefixes.. Taking a table that won't fit in RAM similarly won't guarantee

Re: Looking for geo-directional DNS service

2008-01-15 Thread Joe Abley
On 15-Jan-2008, at 12:50, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: Anycast gives you BGP distance, not topological distance. Yeah, it's topology modulated by economics :-) Joe

Re:

2007-12-08 Thread Joe Abley
On 8-Dec-2007, at 00:18, sana sohail wrote: I am looking for a typical percentage of external(inter-domain) routes versus typical percentage of internal (intra-domain) routes in a core router with couple of hundred thousand entries in the routing table. Can anyone please help me in this? I

Re: General question on rfc1918

2007-11-13 Thread Joe Abley
On 13-Nov-2007, at 10:08, Drew Weaver wrote: Hi there, I just had a real quick question. I hope this is found to be on topic. Is it to be expected to see rfc1918 src'd packets coming from transit carriers? You should not send packets with RFC1918 source or destination

Re: General question on rfc1918

2007-11-13 Thread Joe Abley
On 13-Nov-2007, at 10:35, Robert Bonomi wrote: On 13-Nov-2007, at 10:08, Drew Weaver wrote: Hi there, I just had a real quick question. I hope this is found to be on topic. Is it to be expected to see rfc1918 src'd packets coming from transit carriers? You should not send packets

Re: NANOG Elections

2007-10-16 Thread Joe Abley
On 16-Oct-2007, at 0950, Betty J. Burke wrote: Please encourage everyone to take advantage of the process .. Voting activity picked up a lot this morning, but if the level of participation doesn't increase rapidly, we may have a lower turnout than last year. I think last year we had about

want to vote? need username/password?

2007-10-16 Thread Joe Abley
Since I've heard from a couple of people who are having problems, allow me to channel Betty: Follow: To create username and password: https://www.nanog.org/registration/ username.epl or To have username and password resent: https://www.nanog.org/ registration/password.epl If anybody has

Re: meeting format/content

2007-10-10 Thread Joe Abley
On 10-Oct-2007, at 1256, Sean Figgins wrote: Spam, on the other hand, always seemed to be a scarlet topic here. If someone mentions spam or mail servers, there are those here that start breathing fire and claiming that their email should not be subject to spam filters. I don't know that

Re: mlc files formal complaint against me

2007-10-09 Thread Joe Abley
On 9-Oct-2007, at 0512, Paul Ferguson wrote: - -- vijay gill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Really, reading this thread has left me stupider. I guess instead of focusing on things like the lightweight agenda, abysmal content and actual value to be had from NANOG, I'm glad someone finally said

Re: mlc files formal complaint against me

2007-10-09 Thread Joe Abley
On 9-Oct-2007, at 1053, Stephen Wilcox wrote: i think the SC should review the idea of 2 meetings per year tho, maybe that will bring focus and relevance. can i ask you to take it to your next SC meeting? I will not be on the SC after NANOG 41, but I will certainly bring it up there.

Re: The NANOG Irrelevance? [Was: Re: mlc files formal complaint against me ]

2007-10-09 Thread Joe Abley
On 9-Oct-2007, at 1206, Stephen Wilcox wrote: i'm not sure that sounds like improvement. why cant the charter just allow them to decide a presentation is worth having without going through all the hoops that Paul mentions if its appropriate? I think the charter gives the PC lots of

Re: wanted: offshore hosting

2007-10-09 Thread Joe Abley
On 9-Oct-2007, at 1553, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, I'd like to rent a box somewhere outside of the US, for geographic redundancy and other reasons. [...] I'd prefer if they spoke English, but weren't in the UK or US. I could deal with it if they only spoke Spanish. Lots of options in

Re: Why do some ISP's have bandwidth quotas?

2007-10-04 Thread Joe Abley
On 4-Oct-2007, at 1416, Joe Greco wrote: It'd be interesting to know what the average utilization of an unlimited US broadband customer was, compared to the average utilization of an unlimited AU broadband customer. It would be interesting, then, to look at where the quotas lie on the

Re: IPv6 Information Wiki

2007-09-25 Thread Joe Abley
On 25-Sep-2007, at 1128, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ARIN has set up a wiki at http://www.getipv6.info to publish information that will help ISPs, large and small in implementing IPv6 and migrating to an IPv6 Internet. It might be worth syncing up with the people who

Re: Good Stuff [was] Re: shameful-cabling gallery of infamy - does anybody know where it went?

2007-09-12 Thread Joe Abley
On 11-Sep-2007, at 1514, Justin M. Streiner wrote: Some of the local old-school Bell Atlantic/Verizon techs also did very clean work, but most of them took the early retirement packages that were offered 4-5 years ago. This (the general subject of how to keep real-world cabinets tidy and

Re: Congestion control train-wreck workshop at Stanford: Call for Demos

2007-09-03 Thread Joe Abley
On 3-Sep-2007, at 1328, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Spurred on by a widespread belief that TCP is showing its age and needs replacing I don't mean to hijack this thread unnecessarily, but this seems like an interesting disconnect between ops people and research people (either that or I'm

Re: Network Inventory Tool

2007-08-14 Thread Joe Abley
On 13-Aug-2007, at 23:31, Wguisa71 wrote: Does anyone known some tool for network documentation with: - inventory (cards, serial numbers, manufactor...) - documentation (configurations, software version control, etc) - topology building (L2, L3.. connections, layer control, ...) All-in-one

Re: The Choice: IPv4 Exhaustion or Transition to IPv6

2007-06-28 Thread Joe Abley
On 28-Jun-2007, at 13:16, Randy Bush wrote: Interoperability is achieved by having public facing servers reachable via IPv4 and IPv6. that may be what it looks like from the view of an address allocator. but if you actually have to deliver data from servers you need a path where

Re: Security gain from NAT: Top 5

2007-06-07 Thread Joe Abley
On 7-Jun-2007, at 02:48, Brandon Butterworth wrote: #1 NAT advantage: it protects consumers from vendor lock-in. Speaking of FUD... NAT does nothing here that is not also accomplished through the use of PI addressing. True, diy PI (mmm, PI) is a major reason people use it for v4

Re: Network Level Content Blocking (UK)

2007-06-07 Thread Joe Abley
On 7-Jun-2007, at 10:47, Jon Lewis wrote: On Thu, 7 Jun 2007, James Blessing wrote: Sorry for the cross posting to a number of lists but this is an important topic for many of you (especially if you get multiple copies). As many people are aware there is an 'expectation' that

Re: NANOG 40 agenda posted

2007-06-04 Thread Joe Abley
On 4-Jun-2007, at 02:03, Colm MacCarthaigh wrote: On Mon, Jun 04, 2007 at 02:53:52AM +, Paul Vixie wrote: ipv6 load balancers exist, one's current load balancer is/may probably not be up to the task. my favourite load balancer is OSPF ECMP, since there are no extra boxes, just

Re: OT: NANOG 40 accomodations

2007-05-24 Thread Joe Abley
On 24-May-2007, at 09:43, Brighten Godfrey wrote: I'm a Ph.D. student from UC Berkeley who will be attending the upcoming NANOG in Bellevue. If anyone is interested in splitting a hotel room to reduce costs, please drop me an email. (I have a room booked already but could cancel.) I

Re: BGP announce/withdrawal history.

2007-05-24 Thread Joe Abley
On 24-May-2007, at 03:42, Forrest W. Christian wrote: Earlier today I had an issue where a circuit to one of my two BGP connected upstreams went away for an hour or so. During this period, I expected BGP to act as expected and migrate the traffic to the second circuit with a second

Re: ISP CALEA compliance

2007-05-23 Thread Joe Abley
On 11-May-2007, at 13:55, Chris L. Morrow wrote: On Fri, 11 May 2007, Jared Mauch wrote: If there is interest, perhaps I can make a call to DoJ and see if someone can present on CALEA at nanog in a few weeks? (incase the PC can accomodate them). that seems like a great idea,

Re: ISP CALEA compliance

2007-05-23 Thread Joe Abley
On 23-May-2007, at 14:56, Joe Abley wrote: On 11-May-2007, at 13:55, Chris L. Morrow wrote: On Fri, 11 May 2007, Jared Mauch wrote: If there is interest, perhaps I can make a call to DoJ and see if someone can present on CALEA at nanog in a few weeks? (incase the PC can

Re: Interesting new dns failures

2007-05-21 Thread Joe Abley
On 21-May-2007, at 10:26, Chris L. Morrow wrote: I wonder how the .de or .uk folks see things? Is the same true elsewhere? I think the phenomenon of that doesn't look right because it doesn't end in .com is peculiar to the US. Elsewhere, you don't need a particularly large TLD zone to

Re: Juniper M10i sufficient for BGP, or go with M20?

2007-05-13 Thread Joe Abley
On 13-May-2007, at 15:33, Neal Rauhauser wrote: I don't know much about Juniper but I'm about to learn with a new job. If I'm going to take full routes from a couple of upstreams and have a couple of peers will the M10i (768M max) be enough or is the M20 (2048M max) a better choice. I

Re: [cacti-announce] Cacti 0.8.6j Released (fwd)

2007-05-09 Thread Joe Abley
On 9-May-2007, at 05:25, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: but I'm still unclear on what an MIB actually _is_, A MIB is the database schema for an object-oriented hierarchical database. I believe that (some?) purists would assert that there is but one MIB, and that all other

Re: BGP certificate insanity was: (DHS insanity - offtopic)

2007-04-24 Thread Joe Abley
On 24-Apr-2007, at 10:15, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You might try taking a look at the various presentations at NANOG/RIPE/ARIN/ APNIC/APRICOT about the whole idea. Central point: the entity that gives you a suballocation of its own address space signs something that says you now hold it.

Re: BGP certificate insanity was: (DHS insanity - offtopic)

2007-04-24 Thread Joe Abley
On 24-Apr-2007, at 11:51, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How can anybody be sure that the random peering tech they are talking to really works for the organisation listed in the whois record? By visual inspection of the e-mail address? Do people really talk to random peering techs? I thought that

Re: DHCPv6, was: Re: IPv6 Finally gets off the ground

2007-04-15 Thread Joe Abley
On 15-Apr-2007, at 06:38, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: With IPv6, there's of course still manual configuration, but PPP is out because it can't negotiate IPv6 addresses. I've heard you say this a few times now, but I am also told by various people in various places that they have

Re: On-going Internet Emergency and Domain Names

2007-04-02 Thread Joe Abley
On 1-Apr-2007, at 22:30, Gadi Evron wrote: But building a wall to protect your port from attacks by pirates will not make the pirates go away, and unfortunately, we can't convince everybody to build walls and our security is nwoadays dependent on others'. If you consider the possibility

Re: TCP and WAN issue

2007-03-27 Thread Joe Abley
On 27-Mar-2007, at 16:26, Philip Lavine wrote: I have an east coast and west coast data center connected with a DS3. I am running into issues with streaming data via TCP and was wondering besides hardware acceleration, is there any options at increasing throughput and maximizing the

Re: TCP and WAN issue

2007-03-27 Thread Joe Abley
On 27-Mar-2007, at 16:35, Joe Abley wrote: You might take a look through RFC 2488/BCP 28, if you haven't already. The circuit propagation delays in that scenarios painted by that document are far higher than yours, but the principles are the same. ... in *the* scenarios... I am having

Re: SaidCom disconnected by Level 3 (former Telcove property)

2007-03-16 Thread Joe Abley
On 16-Mar-2007, at 19:56, Wil Schultz wrote: Almost ALL? Surely all those except those who are competing with you for the same customers should multi-home. :-) Joe

Re: [funsec] Not so fast, broadband providers tell big users (fwd)

2007-03-13 Thread Joe Abley
On 13-Mar-2007, at 11:27, Roland Dobbins wrote: On Mar 13, 2007, at 8:17 AM, Chris L. Morrow wrote: what business drivers are there to put more bits on the wire to the end user? BitTorrent. So long as most torrent clients are used to share content illicitly, that doesn't sound like

Re: [funsec] Not so fast, broadband providers tell big users (fwd)

2007-03-13 Thread Joe Abley
On 13-Mar-2007, at 14:15, Todd Vierling wrote: Depends on how rural the area is. Some parts of the US have problematic terrain and *very* sparse population; there, the cost would far outweigh the subscriber uptake. Should someone want bandwidth in such an area, powerline or satellite are

Re: [funsec] Not so fast, broadband providers tell big users (fwd)

2007-03-13 Thread Joe Abley
On 13-Mar-2007, at 18:36, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keeping this in perspective, the CIA Factbook says that Niue had a population of 2,166 in July 2006, an area of 100 square miles (1.5 times the size of Wash DC), and a highest elevation of a whole whopping 250 feet. They used to have a

Re: Minutes for 22 FEB 2007 Posted to NANOG.ORG

2007-03-12 Thread Joe Abley
On 11-Mar-2007, at 04:54, Martin Hannigan wrote: Minutes for the 22 FEB SC meeting have been posted. http://www.nanog.org/sc.minutes07.html#feb22 Thanks, Marty. Those looking for minutes from the subsequent meeting to that one (which would normally have happened last Thursday) should

meeting in the Dominican Republic

2007-02-26 Thread Joe Abley
Hi all, We have had an organisation come forward with a proposal to host the Jan/Feb 2008 meeting in the Dominican Republic. It appears that we can expect hotel costs to be quite a bit lower than than at most recent NANOG meetings (perhaps as low as $100 per night). Flights might cost a

Re: meeting in the Dominican Republic

2007-02-26 Thread Joe Abley
On 26-Feb-2007, at 11:39, Cat Okita wrote: On Mon, 26 Feb 2007, Joe Abley wrote: We would be interested to hear what people think about this idea. For example: How would this fit with your corporate travel policies? Would you be more or less likely to attend a winter meeting

Re: meeting in the Dominican Republic

2007-02-26 Thread Joe Abley
On 26-Feb-2007, at 14:13, Aamer Akhter (aakhter) wrote: This may or may not be of concern, but what are the requirements for entry into DR? I'm watching the IETF-prague buildup and there seems to be a lot of questions regarding 1) health insurance 2) proof of funds, etc. If we do decide

Re: meeting in the Dominican Republic

2007-02-26 Thread Joe Abley
On 26-Feb-2007, at 14:39, Martin Hannigan wrote: On 26-Feb-2007, at 13:05, Martin Hannigan wrote: What reason would NANOG have for holding a meeting in DR? Same as for any other place -- it's a location that we received a good proposal for. If you received a proposal to hold one in

Re: meeting in the Dominican Republic

2007-02-26 Thread Joe Abley
On 26-Feb-2007, at 15:43, Martin Hannigan wrote: I'm saying that you don't have to have a meeting somewhere because someone will pay. It's not practical to hold a meeting somewhere that we don't have a host. I'm not surprised that you resorted to the strawman argument. I think it's

Re: meeting in the Dominican Republic

2007-02-26 Thread Joe Abley
On 26-Feb-2007, at 14:09, Rodney Joffe wrote: Probably the appropriate discussion to have first... DR is considered Central America, not North America. https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/dr.html There are probably more definitions of North America in circulation than there

ruminating about attendance in Canada

2007-02-26 Thread Joe Abley
On 26-Feb-2007, at 17:39, Jared Mauch wrote: On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 07:21:31AM +0900, Randy Bush wrote: I don't know how many people that attended NANOG in Toronto had to go through the international travel approval that some of us had to. probably not the canadians. this is NAnog, not

Re: How do you quantify goodness in an email message?

2007-02-20 Thread Joe Abley
On 20-Feb-2007, at 11:05, Etaoin Shrdlu wrote: Etaoin Shrdlu wrote: [snip] Sure, but not really my point. In fact, sadly enough, the merit majordomo does not even allow the which command, and that is just plain dumb. Stupid. Silly. Upon reflection, I regret that comment. Perhaps I might

Re: How do you quantify goodness in an email message?

2007-02-20 Thread Joe Abley
On 20-Feb-2007, at 14:26, Martin Hannigan wrote: On 20-Feb-2007, at 13:25, Martin Hannigan wrote: And this should be requirements driven instead of brand driven. I have no reason to think that isn't happening. That wasn't necessarily directed at you or Madame Etaoin. I know :-)

Re: wifi for 600, alex

2007-02-15 Thread Joe Abley
On 15-Feb-2007, at 10:39, Carl Karsten wrote: That is a really nice list. Is there a wiki somewhere I could post this to? http://nanog.cluepon.net/ !

Re: Solaris telnet vuln solutions digest and network risks

2007-02-14 Thread Joe Abley
On 14-Feb-2007, at 09:59, MARLON BORBA wrote: I agree with Gadi. Everything which affects Internet stability (e.g. DNS denial-of-service attacks) deserves attention of network operators. IMHO it's time to think about a new NANOG AUP. The NANOG charter says that the people responsible

Re: DNS: Definitely Not Safe?

2007-02-14 Thread Joe Abley
On 14-Feb-2007, at 13:38, Chris L. Morrow wrote: On Wed, 14 Feb 2007, MARLON BORBA wrote: my intention, when suggested that reading, was to get your attention about that recent attack which targeted DNS top-level servers and to i thought it was actually covered on-list... during the

Re: death of the net predicted by deloitte -- film at 11

2007-02-12 Thread Joe Abley
On 12-Feb-2007, at 09:23, Brandon Butterworth wrote: Sure it degrades to effective unicast if too few people watch the same channel in the same area (so just use unicast for those channels), that doesn't mean it's no use for the popular channels that have millions of viewers. I think

Re: Hackers hit key Internet traffic computers

2007-02-08 Thread Joe Abley
On 7-Feb-2007, at 15:24, virendra rode // wrote: Looking at these attacks, F in particular, if my memory serves me correct, there are 35 f-root anycast nodes deployed. Maybe this helped in some respect. Dave Knight's lightning talk in Toronto seemed to indicate that F's anycast platform

Re: TorIX Tours on Tuesday February 6

2007-02-05 Thread Joe Abley
On 1-Feb-2007, at 12:31, Joe Abley wrote: For those attending NANOG 39 in Toronto next week who don't already see enough generic data centre space in their normal work week, there will be a TorIX tour on Tuesday February 6, some time after the last BOF/Tutorial finishes

Re: broken DNS proxying at public wireless hotspots

2007-02-03 Thread Joe Abley
On 4-Feb-2007, at 00:58, Trent Lloyd wrote: The flaw here is that DNS operates over 53(UDP), last time I checked SSH doesn't do UDP port forwarding? In the interests of dispelling a common myth, DNS operates over both 53/udp and 53/tcp. However, given that a substantial portion of most

Re: broken DNS proxying at public wireless hotspots

2007-02-02 Thread Joe Abley
On 3-Feb-2007, at 06:20, Fergie wrote: Use OpenDNS? OpenDNS provides service on other than 53/tcp and 53/udp? If so, how do you configure your client operating system of choice to use the novel, un-proxied ports instead of using port 53? Joe

Re: WTH does Paul do now?

2007-02-01 Thread Joe Abley
On 1-Feb-2007, at 06:50, Stefan Schmidt wrote: Well... reject-all.vix.com. 3600IN NS ns.lah1.vix.com. reject-all.vix.com. 3600IN NS ns.sql1.vix.com. dig any 2.0.0.127.reject-all.vix.com @ns.sql1.vix.com gives status: REFUSED and as ns.lah1.vix.com does

TorIX Tours on Tuesday February 6

2007-02-01 Thread Joe Abley
[Apologies for the following non-operational content; if you are not coming to Toronto next week, hit delete now] For those attending NANOG 39 in Toronto next week who don't already see enough generic data centre space in their normal work week, there will be a TorIX tour on Tuesday

How to Host a NANOG Meeting

2007-01-30 Thread Joe Abley
We have a BOF slot in Toronto to discuss the general topic meeting hosting, from the perspective of learning from past mistakes and making the organisation of future events easier, and with the additional goal of demystifying the process to those who might like to host a meeting, but

Re: Birmingham UK colocation

2007-01-29 Thread Joe Abley
On 29-Jan-2007, at 15:56, Andrew Gristina wrote: I have two racks in London UK. The colocation is currently in London. The contract is up soon and most of the feet on the ground in the UK of the company is in the greater Birmingham area. So I'm interested in colocating about two racks of

Re: Birmingham UK colocation

2007-01-29 Thread Joe Abley
On 29-Jan-2007, at 16:16, Joe Abley wrote: I've never heard of anybody acquiring peering in Birminghag. For the record that was a typo, not some kind of weird dig at Birmingham :-) Joe

Re: Google wants to be your Internet

2007-01-29 Thread Joe Abley
On 29-Jan-2007, at 20:12, Brandon Galbraith wrote: On 1/29/07, Henning Brauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Joseph S D Yao [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-01-30 01:59]: IPv6 firewalls? Where? Good ones? OpenBSD's pf has support for v6 for years now. Do a fair amount of appliance firewalls support

Dell PowerConnect 3324

2007-01-25 Thread Joe Abley
I'm looking at a somewhat convoluted switched gigE path between an M7i and an ERX, both of which I am expecting to be able to fill a gigabit ethernet interface, but in practice the throughput is maxing out at around half a gig of internet-sized packets in each direction. (This is nothing

Re: Super Bowl Sunday February 4th

2007-01-24 Thread Joe Abley
On 23-Jan-2007, at 17:53, Todd Underwood wrote: surely you realise that kanadistan has a higher rate of gun ownership than the US, right? it probably is the climate, though: people simply don't kill each other as often when it's colder and up here at these locales, it's colder a lot more

Re: Google wants to be your Internet

2007-01-24 Thread Joe Abley
On 24-Jan-2007, at 10:01, Jamie Bowden wrote: Some days it kills me that v6 is still not really viable, I keep asking providers where they're at with it. Their most common complaint is that the operating systems don't support it yet. They mention primarily Windows since that is what is most

Re: Network end users to pull down 2 gigabytes a day, continuously?

2007-01-21 Thread Joe Abley
On 21-Jan-2007, at 07:14, Alexander Harrowell wrote: Regarding your first point, it's really surprising that existing P2P applications don't include topology awareness. After all, the underlying TCP already has mechanisms to perceive the relative nearness of a network entity - counting

Re: Network end users to pull down 2 gigabytes a day, continuously?

2007-01-21 Thread Joe Abley
On 21-Jan-2007, at 14:07, Stephen Sprunk wrote: Every torrent indexing site I'm aware of has RSS feeds for newly- added torrents, categorized many different ways. Any ISP that wanted to set up such a service could do so _today_ with _existing_ tools. All that's missing is the budget and

Re: HTML email, was Re: Phishing and BGP Blackholing

2007-01-18 Thread Joe Abley
On 17-Jan-2007, at 21:05, Joseph Jackson wrote: Proper education for whom, the people setting up the site probably know this already. It's the bosses and marketing that don't care about DNS structure. Damn it they want mazdausa.com and not usa.mazda.com and they will have it their way!

Re: How big a network is routed these days?

2007-01-17 Thread Joe Abley
On 17-Jan-2007, at 12:43, Marshall Eubanks wrote: On Jan 17, 2007, at 12:19 PM, David Freedman wrote: I'm interested as to why RIRs dont set the minimum PI allocatable to /24 in order to fit with the current trend. In the 2002-3 micro-assignment policy, the RIR's assign a minimum of a

Re: How big a network is routed these days?

2007-01-17 Thread Joe Abley
On 17-Jan-2007, at 18:36, Owen DeLong wrote: Actually, generally, the expectation under 4.4 is that the addresses will not be advertised at all for the most part, since, generally, there's no need to advertise the route to the exchange point, itself, into the global routing table. 4.4

Re: Ams-ix issues?

2007-01-16 Thread Joe Abley
On 16-Jan-2007, at 16:52, Christian Koch wrote: Anyone aware of any issues as of right now? Seems I may have lost connectivity at amsix The [EMAIL PROTECTED] list is probably a better place to find signs of widespread problems (and since I've heard no noise on that list today, I

Re: Network end users to pull down 2 gigabytes a day, continuously?

2007-01-15 Thread Joe Abley
On 15-Jan-2007, at 08:48, Michal Krsek wrote: This system works perfectly in our linear-line distribution (channels). As user you can choose time you want to see the show, but not the show itself. Capacity on PVR device is finite and if you don't want to waste the space with any

Re: Network end users to pull down 2 gigabytes a day, continuously?

2007-01-09 Thread Joe Abley
On 8-Jan-2007, at 22:26, Gian Constantine wrote: My contention is simple. The content providers will not allow P2P video as a legal commercial service anytime in the near future. Furthermore, most ISPs are going to side with the content providers on this one. Therefore, discussing it at

Re: Network end users to pull down 2 gigabytes a day, continuously?

2007-01-09 Thread Joe Abley
On 9-Jan-2007, at 11:29, Gian Constantine wrote: Those numbers are reasonably accurate for some networks at certain times. There is often a back and forth between BitTorrent and NNTP traffic. Many ISPs regulate BitTorrent traffic for this very reason. Massive increases in this type of

Re: Network end users to pull down 2 gigabytes a day, continuously?

2007-01-09 Thread Joe Abley
On 9-Jan-2007, at 13:04, Gian Constantine wrote: You are correct. Today, IP multicast is limited to a few small closed networks. If we ever migrate to IPv6, this would instantly change. One of my previous assertions was the possibility of streaming video as the major motivator of IPv6

Re: Network end users to pull down 2 gigabytes a day, continuously?

2007-01-08 Thread Joe Abley
On 8-Jan-2007, at 02:34, Sean Donelan wrote: On Sun, 7 Jan 2007, Joe Abley wrote: Setting aside the issue of what particular ISPs today have to pay, the real cost of sending data, best-effort over an existing network which has spare capacity and which is already supported and managed

Re: Network end users to pull down 2 gigabytes a day, continuously?

2007-01-07 Thread Joe Abley
On 7-Jan-2007, at 15:17, Brandon Butterworth wrote: The only time that costs increase is when I download data from outside of BT's network because the increased traffic reaquires larger circuits or more circuits, etc. Incorrect, DSLAM backhaul costs regardless of where the traffic comes

Re: Collocation Access

2006-12-28 Thread Joe Abley
On 27-Dec-2006, at 18:22, Mark Newton wrote: On Thu, Dec 28, 2006 at 12:13:07AM +0100, Leo Vegoda wrote: My driving license doesn't have a photograph on it, so using it as an identity document is pointless. There's no way for a minimum-wage security grunt to verify the particulars of my

Re: Best networks with international presence..

2006-12-18 Thread Joe Abley
On 18-Dec-2006, at 12:04, Joel Jaeggli wrote: Drew Weaver wrote: I am looking for opinions of what US carriers have the best connectivity with the international players such as teleglobe, etc. Mainly, we are trying to determine if there is any way for us to get less latency from

Re: DNS - connection limit (without any extra hardware)

2006-12-08 Thread Joe Abley
On 8-Dec-2006, at 11:52, Geo. wrote: Actually, reading your reply (which is the same as my own, pretty much), I figure the guy asked a question and he has a real problem. Assuming he doesn't want to clean them up is not nice of us. Infected machines (bots) will cause a lot more than

Re: anycasting behind different ASNs?

2006-12-07 Thread Joe Abley
On 6-Dec-2006, at 13:05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: this is done today for the AS112 servers. Actually, I think the origin AS of the AS112 prefix 192.175.48.0/24 is intended to be consistent, and the view from route-views.oregon- ix.net doesn't contradict that theory, in practice.

Re: anycasting behind different ASNs?

2006-12-06 Thread Joe Abley
On 6-Dec-2006, at 13:03, James Jun wrote: Check 192.88.99.0/24. It is an anycasted prefix for 6to4 tunneling. No AS number was assigned for 6to4, thus it has inconsistent AS origin, and works without any problems. Well, without any problems that a consistent origin AS would fix,

Re: Reasons for attendance drop off

2006-12-05 Thread Joe Abley
On 5-Dec-2006, at 05:39, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: since you can't register w/o specifying a shirt size, this is not an unreasonable assumption. [For context, this is a thread that is happening on the nanog-futures mailing list. To subscribe, echo subscribe nanog-futures |

Re: Increase in NANOG Meeting Attendance Fees

2006-11-30 Thread Joe Abley
Hey Marty, On 30-Nov-2006, at 11:30, Martin Hannigan wrote: There's a brief discussion in the minutes related to this. This hasnt been addressed vigorously at the community meetings, i.e. an increase, but the overall finances have. Actually, there was quite a bit of discussion at one of the

Re: Increase in NANOG Meeting Attendance Fees

2006-11-30 Thread Joe Abley
On 30-Nov-2006, at 12:35, Martin Hannigan wrote: I believe the current policy is that where multiple presenters are listed for a single presentation, only one of them gets free attendance at the meeting. I'm not sure that we want a more restrictive policy than that (or are you proposing that

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