[admin] Re: Fourth cable damaged in Middle Eest (Qatar to UAE)

2008-02-04 Thread Alex Pilosov
This conversation is quickly spinning into discussion of politics and terrorism. Reminder to all, please stick to the *operational* aspects of this thread. -alex [NANOG MLC Chair] On Mon, 4 Feb 2008, Patrick Clochesy wrote: I disagree... I think information warfare tactic could easily be

Re: [admin] Re: Fourth cable damaged in Middle Eest (Qatar to UAE)

2008-02-04 Thread Kee Hinckley
On Feb 4, 2008, at 4:29 AM, Alex Pilosov wrote: This conversation is quickly spinning into discussion of politics and terrorism. Reminder to all, please stick to the *operational* aspects of this thread. In all the fuss about terrorism, people may be forgetting that the terrorists have

RE: [admin] Re: Fourth cable damaged in Middle Eest (Qatar to UAE)

2008-02-04 Thread Rod Beck
I have not looked at a map. My guess is that most of these cables are linear - point-to-point. Obviously a more robust architecture is a ring. All TransAtlantic cables are rings, but can you justify the economic cost of a ring architecture to serve relatively small countries? Hmm ... Despite

Re: [admin] Re: Fourth cable damaged in Middle Eest (Qatar to UAE)

2008-02-04 Thread Brandon Galbraith
On 2/4/08, Kee Hinckley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you know that someone wants to cut your cables. What defense do you have? Is there any practical way to monitor and protect an oceanic cable? Are there ways to build them that would make them less discoverable? Some way to provide

Re: [admin] Re: Fourth cable damaged in Middle Eest (Qatar to UAE)

2008-02-04 Thread Eric Brunner-Williams
Alex Pilosov wrote: This conversation is quickly spinning into discussion of politics and terrorism. Reminder to all, please stick to the *operational* aspects of this thread. -alex [NANOG MLC Chair] Agreed. In December of 2005, for reasons entirely personal, I read every paper

RE: [admin] Re: Fourth cable damaged in Middle Eest (Qatar to UAE)

2008-02-04 Thread Ben Butler
The US Navy will deploy their killer ninja dolphins to bottlenose any wrong doers :@) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kee Hinckley Sent: 04 February 2008 17:08 To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: [admin] Re: Fourth cable damaged in Middle

Re: [admin] Re: Fourth cable damaged in Middle Eest (Qatar to UAE)

2008-02-04 Thread Hank Nussbacher
On Mon, 4 Feb 2008, Brandon Galbraith wrote: While reading the hacker tourist article someone posted from Wired many years ago, it mentioned that as the FO cable comes closer to shore, more extreme measures are taken to protect it, including fluidizing the sand underneath the cable to cause

Re: [admin] Re: Fourth cable damaged in Middle Eest (Qatar to UAE)

2008-02-04 Thread Steve Gibbard
On Mon, 4 Feb 2008, Kee Hinckley wrote: Which leads me to my operational question. If you know that someone wants to cut your cables. What defense do you have? Is there any practical way to monitor and protect an oceanic cable? Are there ways to build them that would make them less

Re: [admin] Re: Fourth cable damaged in Middle Eest (Qatar to UAE)

2008-02-04 Thread Barry Shein
Hey, me next! Or it could be a US (or other) attempt to disrupt some terrorist operation in progress which was designed to be coordinated over the internet. I think all this speculation, at best, just reveals the limitations of peoples' imaginations. Is there any triangulation of disruption

RE: [admin] Re: Fourth cable damaged in Middle Eest (Qatar to UAE)

2008-02-04 Thread Tomas L. Byrnes
] On Behalf Of Steve Gibbard Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 12:39 PM To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: [admin] Re: Fourth cable damaged in Middle Eest (Qatar to UAE) On Mon, 4 Feb 2008, Kee Hinckley wrote: Which leads me to my operational question. If you know that someone wants