Re: AS Path Loops in practice ?

2003-12-12 Thread Stephen J. Wilcox
Ok I've had a few responses on and off list on this but arent really getting this idea, as I said tho I've not done this so perhaps thats where I'm missing the crucial points.. 1) It would only remove the must default clause if the provider either stripped (or overrode) the local-as, or if

Re: AS Path Loops in practice ?

2003-12-12 Thread David Barak
--- Stephen J. Wilcox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3) One advantage of using a public, albeit common, customer ASN is that if a customer has RIR-allocated space, those IPs will make it onto the global table, and will not suffer the filtering which may be present for the provider's own

Re: AS Path Loops in practice ?

2003-12-11 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 11:07:03PM +, Stephen J. Wilcox wrote: Perhaps I'm missing something having not done this myself but why arent the customers just using private ASNs? That would also remove the 'must default' clause. Not enough, customers already use them

Re: AS Path Loops in practice ?

2003-12-11 Thread Jeff Aitken
On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 11:07:03PM +, Stephen J. Wilcox wrote: Perhaps I'm missing something having not done this myself but why arent the customers just using private ASNs? That would also remove the 'must default' clause. What if you have more customers than there are private ASNs?

Re: AS Path Loops in practice ?

2003-12-11 Thread David Barak
--- Stephen J. Wilcox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most (all) large ISP's have a customer ASN. This allows a customer to connect in multiple places, run BGP, and get something approximating real redundancy to that carrier. However, rather than allocate one ASN to each customer, all

Re: AS Path Loops in practice ?

2003-12-09 Thread Ben Crocker
The J vendor expects to see these this when receiving BGP routes, there is a switch in their software to allow this to put the routes into the forwarding table. Their explanation was that the RFC actually said that it was the receiving hosts job to decide what to do with this not that it

Re: AS Path Loops in practice ?

2003-12-09 Thread Niels Bakker
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ben Crocker) [Tue 09 Dec 2003, 10:44 CET]: [..] In our case a customer using BGP to our network from the same AS in two locations but not running an IGP between them (our's is not to reason why and all that) A commonly accepted definition of AS is as follows:- | An

Re: AS Path Loops in practice ?

2003-12-09 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 03:13:12PM +0100, Niels Bakker wrote: One cannot have discontiguous networks in the same ASN. It's pretty simple: two routing policies, two ASes, two ASNs. Unfortunately you weren't able to convince your customer of this. This is simply not true,

Re: AS Path Loops in practice ?

2003-12-09 Thread Niels Bakker
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leo Bicknell) [Tue 09 Dec 2003, 16:00 CET]: In a message written on Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 03:13:12PM +0100, Niels Bakker wrote: One cannot have discontiguous networks in the same ASN. It's pretty simple: two routing policies, two ASes, two ASNs. Unfortunately you weren't

AS Path Loops in practice ?

2003-12-08 Thread Jaideep Chandrashekar
Hi. Apologies if this posting is off topic. I'd observed some loops in the AS Paths as seen by the Route-Views routeserver. In one particular snapshot -- about 2% of the paths involved such loops. Here are some examples.(taken from route-views). 11608 2914 1239 12064 22773

Re: AS Path Loops in practice ?

2003-12-08 Thread Robert E. Seastrom
Jaideep Chandrashekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi. Apologies if this posting is off topic. I'd observed some loops in the AS Paths as seen by the Route-Views routeserver. In one particular snapshot -- about 2% of the paths involved such loops. Here are some

Re: AS Path Loops in practice ?

2003-12-08 Thread Joe Provo
On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 03:50:21PM -0500, Robert E. Seastrom wrote: Jaideep Chandrashekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [snip] 11608 2914 1239 12064 22773 12064 11836 1221 4637 1239 12064 22773 12064 11836 [snip] In many (most?) these loops are intentional, and a result of playing prepending

Re: AS Path Loops in practice ?

2003-12-08 Thread Robert E. Seastrom
Joe Provo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: While this is an explataion of the behavior, it should not be an endorsement. Prepending someone else's AS is a bad practive. Not only does it munge 'pure' research data, but fowls some levels of peer evaluation [in the example, and as-701 connected