Re: IBGP Question --- Router Reflector or iBGP Mesh

2005-01-12 Thread Alexei Roudnev
Are you sure? RR should just distribute routes. RR do not make any route decisions, and (btw) iBGP do not make route decisions - they are mostly based on IGP routing. All iBGP + RR are doing is: - tie external routes to internal IP; - distribute this information using iBGP mesh, RR's etc. -

Re: IBGP Question --- Router Reflector or iBGP Mesh

2005-01-12 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 12-jan-05, at 9:06, Alexei Roudnev wrote: Are you sure? RR should just distribute routes. RR do not make any route decisions, and (btw) iBGP do not make route decisions - they are mostly based on IGP routing. Route reflectors only propagate their idea of the best route for a destination. If

Re: IBGP Question --- Router Reflector or iBGP Mesh

2005-01-12 Thread David Barak
--- Alexei Roudnev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you sure? RR should just distribute routes. RR do not make any route decisions, and (btw) iBGP do not make route decisions - they are mostly based on IGP routing. All iBGP + RR are doing is: - tie external routes to internal IP; -

Re: IBGP Question --- Router Reflector or iBGP Mesh

2005-01-12 Thread Erik Haagsman
On Wed, 2005-01-12 at 12:20, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: (Obviously the IGP metric will be different at the client, but the client doesn't see the other routes, so it can't make a different decision. The real fun starts when the next (intra-AS) hop isn't a reflector client and the packet

Re: IBGP Question --- Router Reflector or iBGP Mesh

2005-01-12 Thread Alexei Roudnev
It is correct more or less (I prefer to say that RR reflects only the best routes... through I am not sure, is it theoretical limitation or just implementation - RR can in theory reflect ALL routes). Anyway, usual usage of RR is _RR on backbone, and clients in the branches_, which eliminate this

RE: IBGP Question --- Router Reflector or iBGP Mesh

2005-01-11 Thread Erik Haagsman
On Tue, 2005-01-11 at 02:03, Eric Kagan wrote: Does anyone have any input on when this does make sense ? We have 3 Main IP pops with upstream BGP at each and 4 internal BGP sessions. I am looking to add 2 new routers so there will be about 7 sessions on each border router. This seems to

Re: IBGP Question --- Router Reflector or iBGP Mesh

2005-01-11 Thread Philip Smith
Hi Eric, Eric Kagan said the following on 11/01/2005 11:03: Correct, route reflector's main advantage is scalability and if you're thinking to evolve into a larger network with dedicated access and core routers, route reflectors are a far better option than full mesh, though perhaps not from

Re: IBGP Question --- Router Reflector or iBGP Mesh

2005-01-11 Thread Daniel Roesen
On Tue, Jan 11, 2005 at 09:51:36PM +1000, Philip Smith wrote: Many of the ISPs I've worked with around the world have followed this path - and they are quite happy. I really think there is absolutely no need to consider full mesh iBGP any more. I wouldn't go as far as saying it's history,

Re: IBGP Question --- Router Reflector or iBGP Mesh

2005-01-11 Thread Erik Haagsman
On Tue, 2005-01-11 at 13:09, Daniel Roesen wrote: One of the main problems of route reflection is that the best path decision is done centrally. The best route is not seen as from the router making the forwarding decision, but from the route reflector's point of view. Depending on network

Re: IBGP Question --- Router Reflector or iBGP Mesh

2005-01-11 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 11-jan-05, at 12:51, Philip Smith wrote: Well, my preference is to start with route reflectors pretty much from day one. Let's face it, one day you will have to migrate that full mesh iBGP to route reflector. Why do the work of migration when you can start off at the beginning using route

RE: IBGP Question --- Router Reflector or iBGP Mesh

2005-01-10 Thread Eric Kagan
Correct, route reflector's main advantage is scalability and if you're thinking to evolve into a larger network with dedicated access and core routers, route reflectors are a far better option than full mesh, though perhaps not from the start. Does anyone have any input on when this does

IBGP Question --- Router Reflector or iBGP Mesh

2005-01-07 Thread Erik Sundberg
hello, I have a ibgp question? There is a Diagram at http://erik.appscorp.net/bgp/ Which Setup is better, the Router Reflector or the ibgp meshed? What are the positive and negitive to each setup. Which Setup is commonly used / best pratice / More stable Diagram at

RE: IBGP Question --- Router Reflector or iBGP Mesh

2005-01-07 Thread Erik Haagsman
On Sat, 2005-01-08 at 00:20, Robert Crowe wrote: Yes, an iBGP session is possible between A C. Route Reflectors main purpose was to reduce the iBGP full mesh requirement, thus providing for BGP scalability. If you only have 3 BGP speakers then there is no need, unless you are expecting