Re: Its not just Spam and DDOS anymore (was Re: OT: Re: User negligence?)

2003-07-29 Thread Peter Gray
For a laugh, take a look at this spammer site, www.ushplans.com, currently hosted by Net Access Corporation. It claims to be US Health Plans Inc., The Nations (sic) Leading Dental Plan but its head office appears to be a mail drop box in New Jersey and its only known employee appears to be a

Re: Its not just Spam and DDOS anymore (was Re: OT: Re: User negligence?)

2003-07-28 Thread Peter Gray
On the subject of host security issues and spam, try doing a search of the Usenet archive for 'Net Access Corporation spam'. You get 328 results. And those are just the spams which people have traced to NAC, never mind the millions of untraced ones From: Sean Donelan [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Its not just Spam and DDOS anymore (was Re: OT: Re: User negligence?)

2003-07-28 Thread Will Yardley
On Mon, Jul 28, 2003 at 08:56:01AM +, Peter Gray wrote: On the subject of host security issues and spam, try doing a search of the Usenet archive for 'Net Access Corporation spam'. You get 328 results. And those are just the spams which people have traced to NAC, never mind the

Its not just Spam and DDOS anymore (was Re: OT: Re: User negligence?)

2003-07-27 Thread Sean Donelan
On Sun, 27 Jul 2003, Alex Rubenstein wrote: I think there is confusion here. Yep. No problem, I think we've cleared it up. The banks are making the claim, that, if you the user, has an infected PC, that is compromised by an 3lit3 h4x0r, and your password to your bank account is compromised,

Re: Its not just Spam and DDOS anymore (was Re: OT: Re: User negligence?)

2003-07-27 Thread Vinny Abello
At 11:25 AM 7/27/2003, Rob Thomas wrote: Hi, NANOGers. ] Folks, its not underground any more. The criminals are using trojans ] to steal real money from real people now. Indeed, and for a while (circa five months by my observation) now. It is no longer, and hasn't been for a while, about

Re: Its not just Spam and DDOS anymore (was Re: OT: Re: User negligence?)

2003-07-27 Thread Vinny Abello
Forgive my typo... here = hear. My brain isn't functioning yet this morning and I am just typing what I hear in my head. ;) It's a Sunday morning. :P At 11:45 AM 7/27/2003, Vinny Abello wrote: At 11:25 AM 7/27/2003, Rob Thomas wrote: Hi, NANOGers. ] Folks, its not underground any more. The

Re: Its not just Spam and DDOS anymore (was Re: OT: Re: User

2003-07-27 Thread Paul Vixie
] Firewalls can't stop it, ISPs can't stop it. Its a *HOST* security issue. I'll slightly modify that statement; it is a *PEOPLE* issue. People who write code. People who use systems and networks. People who abuse all of the above for monetary gain. I think I agree. Hosts will be weak,

Re: Its not just Spam and DDOS anymore (was Re: OT: Re: User

2003-07-27 Thread Patrick
On Sun, 27 Jul 2003, Paul Vixie wrote: I think I agree. Hosts will be weak, especially when there's a dominant and homogeneous platform (so, vulnerabilities are more compatible/portable than they would be if we lived in a more heterogeneous world). But people, ahhh, yes, people, will be

Re: Its not just Spam and DDOS anymore (was Re: OT: Re: User

2003-07-27 Thread Paul Vixie
... but so far they've only succeeded in making it worse. Computers are absolutely capable of this, but as with security in general the problem lies with the people that are controlling what they do... i agree, but we may mean different things. most people have no control over what their

Re: Its not just Spam and DDOS anymore (was Re: OT: Re: User

2003-07-27 Thread Patrick
On Mon, 28 Jul 2003, Paul Vixie wrote: so while i think you mean one of the reasons computers are subtracting from rather than adding to the average user's privacy is because the average user doesn't want to perform the difficult acts of mental focus and usage discipline that would be