Re: Looking for geo-directional DNS service

2008-01-16 Thread Paul Vixie
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joe Greco) writes: ... So, anyways, would it be entertaining to discuss the relative merits of various DNS implementations that attempt to provide geographic answers to requests, versus doing it at a higher level? (I can hear everyone groaning now, and some purist

Re: Looking for geo-directional DNS service

2008-01-16 Thread Joe Greco
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joe Greco) writes: ... So, anyways, would it be entertaining to discuss the relative merits of various DNS implementations that attempt to provide geographic answers to requests, versus doing it at a higher level? (I can hear everyone groaning now, and some purist

Re: Looking for geo-directional DNS service

2008-01-16 Thread Steve Gibbard
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008, Patrick W.Gilmore wrote: On Jan 15, 2008, at 12:00 PM, Bill Woodcock wrote: [...] If you're doing things on the Internet, instead of the physical world, topological distance is presumably of much greater interest than whatever geographic proximity may coincidentally

Re: Looking for geo-directional DNS service

2008-01-15 Thread Hank Nussbacher
At 12:14 AM 16-01-08 +1300, jamie baddeley wrote: Yes, but that would require them to run a DNS server at each of their 4 locations. They do not want to run their own DNS. They want it outsourced. Thanks, -Hank Thought about anycasting? Broad as a barn door, but if you add health

Looking for geo-directional DNS service

2008-01-15 Thread Hank Nussbacher
I am looking for a commercial DNS service that provides geo-directionality. Suppose I have 4 data centers scattered thruout the world and want users to hit the closest data center based on proximity checks (pings, TTLs, latency, load, etc.). I know one can roll their own, using various

Re: Looking for geo-directional DNS service

2008-01-15 Thread Bill Woodcock
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008, Hank Nussbacher wrote: The Ultradns (now Neustar) Directional DNS service is based on statically defined IP responses at each of their 14 sites so there is no proximity checking done. Yes, and that's how anycast works: it directs traffic to the

Re: Looking for geo-directional DNS service

2008-01-15 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On Jan 15, 2008, at 12:00 PM, Bill Woodcock wrote: On Tue, 15 Jan 2008, Hank Nussbacher wrote: The Ultradns (now Neustar) Directional DNS service is based on statically defined IP responses at each of their 14 sites so there is no proximity checking done. Yes, and that's how anycast

Re: Looking for geo-directional DNS service

2008-01-15 Thread Joe Greco
Except Hank is asking for true topological distance (latency / throughput / packetloss). Anycast gives you BGP distance, not topological distance. Say I'm in Ashburn and peer directly with someone in Korea where he has a node (1 AS hop), but I get to his node in Ashburn through my

Re: Looking for geo-directional DNS service

2008-01-15 Thread Joe Abley
On 15-Jan-2008, at 12:50, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: Anycast gives you BGP distance, not topological distance. Yeah, it's topology modulated by economics :-) Joe

Re: Looking for geo-directional DNS service

2008-01-15 Thread Patrick W.Gilmore
On Jan 15, 2008, at 3:03 PM, Joe Greco wrote: Except Hank is asking for true topological distance (latency / throughput / packetloss). Anycast gives you BGP distance, not topological distance. Say I'm in Ashburn and peer directly with someone in Korea where he has a node (1 AS hop), but I

Re: Looking for geo-directional DNS service

2008-01-15 Thread Paul Vixie
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Patrick W.Gilmore)] And even if you do define topology to be equivalent to BGP, that is not what is of the greatest interest. Goodput (latency, packet loss, throughput) is far more important. IMHO. in my less humble justified true belief, this is 100% truth. This in no

Re: Looking for geo-directional DNS service

2008-01-15 Thread Joe Greco
Unless you define topologically nearest as what BGP picks, that is incorrect. And even if you do define topology to be equivalent to BGP, that is not what is of the greatest interest. Goodput (latency, packet loss, throughput) is far more important. IMHO. Certainly, but given