Re: Mitigating HTTP DDoS attacks?

2008-03-25 Thread Peter Dambier
On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 11:34:58PM +, Paul Vixie wrote: i only use or recommend operating systems that have their own host based firewalls. That was exactly my problem. Barney Wolff wrote: What finally broke was doing a table list, possibly because the command prints in sorted order.

RE: Mitigating HTTP DDoS attacks?

2008-03-25 Thread Darden, Patrick S.
: Monday, March 24, 2008 6:02 PM To: NANOG Subject: Mitigating HTTP DDoS attacks? Howdy all, So, i'm kind of new to this so please deal with my ignorance. But, what is common practice these days for HTTP DDoS mitigation during an attack? You can of course route every offending ip address to null0

Re: Mitigating HTTP DDoS attacks?

2008-03-25 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 23:13:25 -0400 Rodrick Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They're a few companies that specialize in DDOS protection type services one company that comes to mind is Prolexic and their IPN infrastructure protection service. Prolexic will basically absorbs all attacks filter

Re: Mitigating HTTP DDoS attacks?

2008-03-25 Thread Paul Wall
On 3/25/08, Peter Dambier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: proc2pl might get you ideas, from the ISAON tools on You know, for the last year or two I've heard you go on and on about IASON. A few months ago I actually did download it and the only thing I can find in it is an assortment of scripts to

Mitigating HTTP DDoS attacks?

2008-03-24 Thread Mike Lyon
Howdy all, So, i'm kind of new to this so please deal with my ignorance. But, what is common practice these days for HTTP DDoS mitigation during an attack? You can of course route every offending ip address to null0 at your border. But, if it's a botnet or trojan or something, It's coming from

Re: Mitigating HTTP DDoS attacks?

2008-03-24 Thread Roland Dobbins
On Mar 25, 2008, at 5:02 AM, Mike Lyon wrote: Any input would be greatly appreciated. There are devices available today from different vendors (including Cisco, full disclosure) which are intelligent DDoS-'scrubbers' and which can deal with more sophisticated types of attacks at

Re: Mitigating HTTP DDoS attacks?

2008-03-24 Thread Tim Yocum
On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 5:18 PM, Roland Dobbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are devices available today from different vendors (including Cisco, full disclosure) which are intelligent DDoS-'scrubbers' and which can deal with more sophisticated types of attacks at layer-7, including

Re: Mitigating HTTP DDoS attacks?

2008-03-24 Thread Roland Dobbins
On Mar 25, 2008, at 6:18 AM, Tim Yocum wrote: If you're running Apache, you may also investigate mod_evasive, and in the case of exploits, mod_security. mod_evasive and mod_security are definitely recommended, good point. And a good relationship with your peers/upstreams/customers/vendors

Re: Mitigating HTTP DDoS attacks?

2008-03-24 Thread Paul Vixie
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mike Lyon) writes: So, i'm kind of new to this so please deal with my ignorance. :-). on the internet, everybody's new to everything since it's all changing every day. if anybody grumps at you for your ignorance, or says i can't type that into an IOS prompt then the fault

Re: Mitigating HTTP DDoS attacks?

2008-03-24 Thread Mike Lewinski
Paul Vixie wrote: i only use or recommend operating systems that have their own host based firewalls. soon that will mean pf (from openbsd but available on freebsd) pf's tables are nifty too btw :) pfsense, which is FreeBSD + pf, also has a port of snort IDS available. Provided the OP has

Re: Mitigating HTTP DDoS attacks?

2008-03-24 Thread Barney Wolff
On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 11:34:58PM +, Paul Vixie wrote: i only use or recommend operating systems that have their own host based firewalls. soon that will mean pf (from openbsd but available on freebsd) but right now that means ipfw. ipfw has a table construct which uses a data

RE: Mitigating HTTP DDoS attacks?

2008-03-24 Thread Frank Bulk - iNAME
case, it's reactive. Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Lyon Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 5:02 PM To: NANOG Subject: Mitigating HTTP DDoS attacks? Howdy all, So, i'm kind of new to this so please deal with my ignorance

Re: Mitigating HTTP DDoS attacks?

2008-03-24 Thread Roland Dobbins
On Mar 25, 2008, at 8:10 AM, Frank Bulk - iNAME wrote: In any case, it's reactive. Several SPs (quite a few, actually) are offering DDoS mitigation services based upon a variety of tools and techniques, and with various pricing models. Some provide the service for their own

Re: Mitigating HTTP DDoS attacks?

2008-03-24 Thread Roger Marquis
Mike Lyon wrote: So, i'm kind of new to this so please deal with my ignorance. But, what is common practice these days for HTTP DDoS mitigation during an attack? You can of course route every offending ip address to null0 at your border. But, if it's a botnet or trojan or something, It's coming

Re: Mitigating HTTP DDoS attacks?

2008-03-24 Thread Rodrick Brown
On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 6:02 PM, Mike Lyon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howdy all, So, i'm kind of new to this so please deal with my ignorance. But, what is common practice these days for HTTP DDoS mitigation during an attack? You can of course route every offending ip address to null0 at