Re: NANOG laptops (was Re: Customer-facing ACLs)

2008-03-10 Thread Mark Prior
William Allen Simpson wrote: Marshall Eubanks wrote: I used to count the proportion of Mac laptops in the room (or, at least, my row) to pass the time when I was bored. I remember at the 1999 Washington IETF I saw exactly one, and I could hear people whisper about it around me. I

NANOG laptops (was Re: Customer-facing ACLs)

2008-03-09 Thread David Conrad
Hi, On Mar 8, 2008, at 2:40 PM, William Norton wrote: I was quite surprised to see the large number of Mac laptops at NANOG 42. I didn't do a formal count but it seemed like about 1/4 to 1/3 of the laptops in use were Macs. ...You know, now that you mention it, I was also quite impressed

Re: NANOG laptops (was Re: Customer-facing ACLs)

2008-03-09 Thread Randy Bush
i am moving to a macbook pro, or trying to, from a freebsd/winxp. but why did they have to 'add value' by mucking with freebsd and breaking my fingers? and whoever thought the mac screen was good never used my alienware 1920x1024. at the ipv4 econ meet on tasman last week, macs were in extreme

Re: NANOG laptops (was Re: Customer-facing ACLs)

2008-03-09 Thread Marshall Eubanks
On Mar 9, 2008, at 3:21 PM, David Conrad wrote: Hi, On Mar 8, 2008, at 2:40 PM, William Norton wrote: I was quite surprised to see the large number of Mac laptops at NANOG 42. I didn't do a formal count but it seemed like about 1/4 to 1/3 of the laptops in use were Macs. ...You know,

Re: NANOG laptops (was Re: Customer-facing ACLs)

2008-03-09 Thread Jason Lixfeld
So the overwhelming question for me is why? Is it simply the fact that the native *nix underpinnings are where most users (within the aforementioned demographic) spend most of their time anyway? That's what did it for me - repeated attempts to get FreeBSD to run stable on the Inspiron I

Re: NANOG laptops (was Re: Customer-facing ACLs)

2008-03-09 Thread Paul Vixie
my laptop, and both my desktops, run KDE. the underlying operating system is usually something like opensuse (a linux distro) or pcbsd or desktopbsd (which are freebsd distros). all i need from the OS is to support KDE well, patch itself from a vendor mothership often, do suspend/resume and

Re: NANOG laptops (was Re: Customer-facing ACLs)

2008-03-09 Thread Al Iverson
On 3/9/08, Jason Lixfeld [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So the overwhelming question for me is why? Is it simply the fact that the native *nix underpinnings are where most users (within the aforementioned demographic) spend most of their time anyway? That's what did it for me - repeated

Re: NANOG laptops (was Re: Customer-facing ACLs)

2008-03-09 Thread Bill Woodcock
Macbook Pro (all of IANA (with one recent exception) use Macs of one form or another). All of PCH uses MacBook Pros. Except Gaurab, who uses a MacBook Air. :-) In the good ole days it seemed like 99% were PCs maybe a couple were reinstalled with some form of unix,

Re: NANOG laptops (was Re: Customer-facing ACLs)

2008-03-09 Thread Randy Bush
definitely agree with supermicro, freebsd, zfs for servers. it rocks! and i lived through duo, hinote, viao, thinkpad, alienware, and now mac. i keep the alienware because it has real graphics, 1920x1024, as opposed to the mac. on the alienware, i run winxp with cygwin as host, vmware, and

Re: NANOG laptops (was Re: Customer-facing ACLs)

2008-03-09 Thread Bill Woodcock
On Sun, 9 Mar 2008, Randy Bush wrote: and i lived through duo, hinote, viao, thinkpad, alienware, and now mac. i keep the alienware because it has real graphics, 1920x1024, as opposed to the mac. There was a guy from Amazon at the San Jose meeting who'd transplanted an

Re: NANOG laptops (was Re: Customer-facing ACLs)

2008-03-09 Thread William Allen Simpson
Marshall Eubanks wrote: I used to count the proportion of Mac laptops in the room (or, at least, my row) to pass the time when I was bored. I remember at the 1999 Washington IETF I saw exactly one, and I could hear people whisper about it around me. I used to attend with various