Re: OT: question re. the Volume of unwanted email (fwd)

2003-06-21 Thread Justin Shore
On Wed, 18 Jun 2003, Miles Fidelman wrote: It occurs to me that a lot of people on this list might have that sort of quantitative data - so... any comments? You might find this useful. http://zebulon.miester.org/spam/ Justin

Re: OT: question re. the Volume of unwanted email (fwd)

2003-06-19 Thread Curtis Maurand
Interesting pattern. Kind of looks like cutting z's. :-) curtis just me said: On Wed, 18 Jun 2003, Miles Fidelman wrote: It occurs to me that a lot of people on this list might have that sort of quantitative data - so... any comments? Regards, Miles Fidelman For my little

Re: OT: question re. the Volume of unwanted email (fwd)

2003-06-19 Thread Andy Dills
On Wed, 18 Jun 2003, just me wrote: For my little corner: http://mrtg.snark.net/spam/ It seems 1:1 is the norm these days, at least at my scale. How do you get your mail delivery attempts to occur so linearly? :) I think something's busted with your mrtg script... Here's the stats for one

Re: OT: question re. the Volume of unwanted email (fwd)

2003-06-19 Thread Jack Bates
Andy Dills wrote: How do you get your mail delivery attempts to occur so linearly? :) I think something's busted with your mrtg script... Depends on which stats he wants. He's showing the total since midnight in the graph instead of the count since the last run. -Jack

Re: OT: question re. the Volume of unwanted email (fwd)

2003-06-19 Thread Andy Dills
On Thu, 19 Jun 2003, Jack Bates wrote: Andy Dills wrote: How do you get your mail delivery attempts to occur so linearly? :) I think something's busted with your mrtg script... Depends on which stats he wants. He's showing the total since midnight in the graph instead of the count

Re: OT: question re. the Volume of unwanted email (fwd)

2003-06-19 Thread just me
Not a lot to break; here's the script in its entirety: #!/usr/local/bin/bash grep -c mailer=local /var/log/maillog egrep -c '[EMAIL PROTECTED]|reject|njabl' /var/log/maillog A lot of mail traffic on my box is mailing lists; perhaps thats why the graphs look so smooth. matto On Thu, 19 Jun

Re: OT: question re. the Volume of unwanted email (fwd)

2003-06-19 Thread just me
On Thu, 19 Jun 2003, Andy Dills wrote: Yeah, mea culpa :) Don't know why you have your graphs set up that way, unless you have no other way of reporting aggregate scores for the day... http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~oetiker/webtools/mrtg/reference.html In the absence of 'gauge' or

OT: question re. the Volume of unwanted email (fwd)

2003-06-18 Thread Miles Fidelman
Hi Folks, Someone on the cybertelecom list raised a question about the real costs of handling spam (see below) in terms of computer resources, transmission, etc. This dovetailed a discussion I had recently with several former BBN colleagues - where someone pointed out that email is not a very

Re: OT: question re. the Volume of unwanted email (fwd)

2003-06-18 Thread Eric Brunner-Williams in Portland Maine
While the question (metrics for operators, backbone-to-retail, spam) is current in the asrg list, the question is posed by (informally) by the (outgoing) secretary of the ICANN Registrar's Constituency to a listserv in the AOL playpen. The question is not current in the Registrar's Constituency,

Re: OT: question re. the Volume of unwanted email (fwd)

2003-06-18 Thread Jack Bates
Miles Fidelman wrote: Since a lot of the arguments about spam hinge on the various costs it imposes on ISPs, it seems like it would be a good thing to get a handle on quantitative data. While there is a cost to ISPs reguarding spam, the highest cost is still on the recipient. End User's who are

Re: OT: question re. the Volume of unwanted email (fwd)

2003-06-18 Thread Paul Vixie
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jack Bates) writes: While there is a cost to ISPs reguarding spam, the highest cost is still on the recipient. End User's who are outraged by their children getting pornography in email, or having trouble finding their legitimate emails due to the sheer volume of spam

RE: OT: question re. the Volume of unwanted email (fwd)

2003-06-18 Thread Drew Weaver
18, 2003 2:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: question re. the Volume of unwanted email (fwd) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jack Bates) writes: While there is a cost to ISPs reguarding spam, the highest cost is still on the recipient. End User's who are outraged by their children getting

Re: OT: question re. the Volume of unwanted email (fwd)

2003-06-18 Thread Eric A. Hall
on 6/18/2003 9:51 AM Miles Fidelman wrote: Someone on the cybertelecom list raised a question about the real costs of handling spam (see below) in terms of computer resources, transmission, etc. This dovetailed a discussion I had recently with several former BBN colleagues - where someone

Re: OT: question re. the Volume of unwanted email (fwd)

2003-06-18 Thread Petri Helenius
value is dependant on the individual. Unfortunately, end user's cannot just highlight and hit delete on spam. They must look at almost every Isn´t highlight and hit delete exactly what has been implemented since Mozilla 1.3 and works with almost perfect accuracy after you give it a few dozen

Re: OT: question re. the Volume of unwanted email (fwd)

2003-06-18 Thread Jack Bates
Petri Helenius wrote: Isn´t highlight and hit delete exactly what has been implemented since Mozilla 1.3 and works with almost perfect accuracy after you give it a few dozen messages to build up the good and bad database with? Actually, I find that 1.3 and 1.4 still have issues with determining

Re: OT: question re. the Volume of unwanted email (fwd)

2003-06-18 Thread Paul Timmins
On Wed, 2003-06-18 at 17:09, Jack Bates wrote: The worst part of it is that spam is quickly becoming unreadable, so that legitimate emails that are readable are the emails more likely filtered. -Jack On the upside, this means replacing the spam filter with a spell checker will move us

Re: OT: question re. the Volume of unwanted email (fwd)

2003-06-18 Thread Petri Helenius
Actually, I find that 1.3 and 1.4 still have issues with determining spam. While fairly decent, one still has to go through looking for false positives. The other issue is that spammers have been doing a good job at designing emails to fool filters. I'm starting to see more and more spam

Re: OT: question re. the Volume of unwanted email (fwd)

2003-06-18 Thread JC Dill
Jack Bates wrote: Petri Helenius wrote: Isn´t highlight and hit delete exactly what has been implemented since Mozilla 1.3 and works with almost perfect accuracy after you give it a few dozen messages to build up the good and bad database with? Actually, I find that 1.3 and 1.4 still have

Re: OT: question re. the Volume of unwanted email (fwd)

2003-06-18 Thread just me
On Wed, 18 Jun 2003, Miles Fidelman wrote: It occurs to me that a lot of people on this list might have that sort of quantitative data - so... any comments? Regards, Miles Fidelman For my little corner: http://mrtg.snark.net/spam/ It seems 1:1 is the norm these days, at least at my