Re: Outage queries and notices (was Re: GBLX congestion in Dallas area)

2005-06-09 Thread Michael . Dillon
The Internet needs a PA system. There is this sparsely deployed technology called multicast which would work for this application. Note that the original poster did use multicast for his query. He sent one copy to nanog@merit.edu where his email was replicated and forwarded to multiple

Re: Outage queries and notices (was Re: GBLX congestion in Dallas area )

2005-06-09 Thread Jay R. Ashworth
On Wed, Jun 08, 2005 at 07:11:21PM -0400, David Andersen wrote: On Jun 8, 2005, at 4:46 PM, Jay R. Ashworth wrote: On Wed, Jun 08, 2005 at 06:30:50PM +, Fergie (Paul Ferguson) wrote: What's the matter with simply using the mailing list? Don't reinvent the wheel. For precisely that

Outage queries and notices (was Re: GBLX congestion in Dallas area)

2005-06-08 Thread Jay R. Ashworth
On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 06:40:10PM -0400, Dave Stewart wrote: At 06:12 PM 6/7/2005, you wrote: If we started posting about every fiber cut of every carrier anywhere in North America every time it happened there wouldn't be any room left on this list for talking about spam, senderid, DNS RFCs,

Re: Outage queries and notices (was Re: GBLX congestion in Dallas area)

2005-06-08 Thread Pete Templin
Jay R. Ashworth wrote: From down here, like Dave, at the relative bottom of the food chain, I must agree with him and Steve, though I do understand Richard's concerns there, and they're valid ones. The Internet needs a PA system. Problem is, the people who are equipped to talk, and, by and

RE: Outage queries and notices (was Re: GBLX congestion in Dallas area)

2005-06-08 Thread Hannigan, Martin
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Pete Templin Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 10:51 AM To: Jay R. Ashworth Cc: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: Outage queries and notices (was Re: GBLX congestion in Dallas area) [ SNIP ] OK, make a

RE: Outage queries and notices (was Re: GBLX congestion in Dallas area)

2005-06-08 Thread Joel Perez
[ SNIP ] I think that these things are operational and belong here. Its' the level that ras is talking about and the content. Saying MCI has a massive fiber cut impacting 230 Congress IX vs. GBLX is not doing what I demand are very different types of outage posts. My original post to the

Re: Outage queries and notices (was Re: GBLX congestion in Dallas area)

2005-06-08 Thread Petri Helenius
Jay R. Ashworth wrote: The Internet needs a PA system. There is this sparsely deployed technology called multicast which would work for this application. Pete

Re: Outage queries and notices (was Re: GBLX congestion in Dallas area)

2005-06-08 Thread Jay R. Ashworth
On Wed, Jun 08, 2005 at 09:22:02PM +0300, Petri Helenius wrote: Jay R. Ashworth wrote: The Internet needs a PA system. There is this sparsely deployed technology called multicast which would work for this application. Well, that's fine, at the transport layer, but I think more an

Re: Outage queries and notices (was Re: GBLX congestion in Dallas area)

2005-06-08 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On Jun 8, 2005, at 2:22 PM, Petri Helenius wrote: Jay R. Ashworth wrote: The Internet needs a PA system. There is this sparsely deployed technology called multicast which would work for this application. It barely works for any application. I hesitate to think how well it work work

Re: Outage queries and notices (was Re: GBLX congestion in Dallas area )

2005-06-08 Thread Fergie (Paul Ferguson)
What's the matter with simply using the mailing list? Don't reinvent the wheel. - ferg -- Jay R. Ashworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Internet needs a PA system. There is this sparsely deployed technology called multicast which would work for this application. Well, that's fine, at

Re: Outage queries and notices (was Re: GBLX congestion in Dallas area)

2005-06-08 Thread Petri Helenius
Jay R. Ashworth wrote: On Wed, Jun 08, 2005 at 09:22:02PM +0300, Petri Helenius wrote: Jay R. Ashworth wrote: The Internet needs a PA system. There is this sparsely deployed technology called multicast which would work for this application. Well, that's fine, at the

RE: Outage queries and notices (was Re: GBLX congestion in Dallas area)

2005-06-08 Thread Hannigan, Martin
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jay R. Ashworth Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 2:25 PM To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: Outage queries and notices (was Re: GBLX congestion in Dallas area) [ SNIP ] Well, that's fine, at the

Re: Outage queries and notices (was Re: GBLX congestion in Dallas area )

2005-06-08 Thread Fergie (Paul Ferguson)
Ask the folks at the NYSE. ;-) http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=163703141 - ferg -- Patrick W. Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Internet needs a PA system. There is this sparsely deployed technology called multicast which would work for this

Re: Outage queries and notices (was Re: GBLX congestion in Dallas area)

2005-06-08 Thread Jerry Pasker
It seems like it's taking more time to discuss it than it actually would take to create a nanog-outage list. Maybe it's not being done because doing so would be threatening to a lot of people. Having a large sounding board for outages will make it very difficult for larger providers to

Re: Outage queries and notices (was Re: GBLX congestion in Dallas area)

2005-06-08 Thread Jay R. Ashworth
On Wed, Jun 08, 2005 at 02:35:42PM -0400, Hannigan, Martin wrote: Well, that's fine, at the transport layer, but I think more an application layer solution is called for. Something akin to news.announce.important on Usenet? How about [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oddly, that's my approach, yes.

Re: Outage queries and notices (was Re: GBLX congestion in Dallas area )

2005-06-08 Thread Jay R. Ashworth
On Wed, Jun 08, 2005 at 06:30:50PM +, Fergie (Paul Ferguson) wrote: What's the matter with simply using the mailing list? Don't reinvent the wheel. For precisely that reason, I, personally, am on your side. It's not the *best* solution, but it's probably the least worst. Cheers, -- jr

Re: Outage queries and notices (was Re: GBLX congestion in Dallas area )

2005-06-08 Thread David Barak
--- Jay R. Ashworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not the *best* solution, but it's probably the least worst. Least worst could describe pretty much everything about how we do networking today, so count me in the chorus of folks who consider outages completely on-topic. David Barak

RE: Outage queries and notices (was Re: GBLX congestion in Dallas area)

2005-06-08 Thread Henry Linneweh
I did notice A low number on the index at http://www.internettrafficreport.com/namerica.htm -Henry --- Joel Perez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [ SNIP ] I think that these things are operational and belong here. Its' the level that ras is talking about and the content. Saying MCI has a