Re: ATT: 15 Mbps Internet connections irrelevant

2006-04-03 Thread Sean Donelan
On Mon, 3 Apr 2006, Todd Vierling wrote: (...The frustrating part about those figures is that I might as well have FTTH, because my DSLAM is less than 50 feet from my premises -- it's in a green-monster canister on the corner of the block. The modem says I *could* attain better than 9Mbps

Listen to all the companies spin (was Re: ATT: 15 Mbps Internet connections irrelevant)

2006-04-03 Thread Sean Donelan
On Sun, 2 Apr 2006, Randy Bush wrote: when you have a giant company with a broken business model, send in the lawyers and lobbyists to extend it a few years. after all, it's kinda working for the mpa and riaa. Several companies made presentations at the same Bank of America investor's

Re: ATT: 15 Mbps Internet connections irrelevant

2006-04-02 Thread Randy Bush
smells to me of our backbone just can't support that network neutrality stuff. we need to limit all those folk who won't pay us more money. and the hellcos need to get out of their promises of ftth and etth. face it. the packet transport business is in a keen contest for financial unviability

Re: ATT: 15 Mbps Internet connections irrelevant

2006-04-02 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On Sat, 1 Apr 2006, Simon Lockhart wrote: On Sat Apr 01, 2006 at 01:26:51PM -0600, Frank Bulk wrote: The majority of U.S.-based IP TV deployments are not using MPEG-4 Agreed. However, I'd say that any IPTV provider currently using MPEG2 would be planning a migration to MPEG4/H.264 - half

IPTV (was Re: ATT: 15 Mbps Internet connections irrelevant)

2006-04-02 Thread Simon Lockhart
On Sun Apr 02, 2006 at 08:58:25AM -0700, Joel Jaeggli wrote: Anyone looking to do HD will be looking at H.264, and looking to bring the bandwidth requirement down to 8-10Mbps. That is certainly more practical with ADSL2+ deployments (unless you want more than one STB per DSL). US homes

Re: ATT: 15 Mbps Internet connections irrelevant

2006-04-02 Thread Todd Vierling
On Sat, 1 Apr 2006, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: In the foreseeable future, having a 15 Mbps Internet capability is irrelevant because the backbone doesn't transport at those speeds, he told the conference attendees. Stephenson said that ATT's field tests have shown no discernable difference

Re: ATT: 15 Mbps Internet connections irrelevant

2006-04-01 Thread Sean Donelan
On Sat, 1 Apr 2006, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060331-6498.html In the foreseeable future, having a 15 Mbps Internet capability is irrelevant because the backbone doesn't transport at those speeds, he told the conference attendees. Stephenson said that

Re: ATT: 15 Mbps Internet connections irrelevant

2006-04-01 Thread David Lesher
Speaking on Deep Background, the Press Secretary whispered: But I think Mr. Stephenson's point was a network bottleneck is not always based on the access link speed some ISPs put in their advertising. There are also differences in how people use the network. Power users and gamers

Re: ATT: 15 Mbps Internet connections irrelevant

2006-04-01 Thread Joe Provo
On Sat, Apr 01, 2006 at 05:25:40AM -0500, Sean Donelan wrote: [snip] But I think Mr. Stephenson's point was a network bottleneck is not always based on the access link speed some ISPs put in their advertising. Just go to any ISP user forum and you will see long threads complaining they can

Re: ATT: 15 Mbps Internet connections irrelevant

2006-04-01 Thread Marshall Eubanks
If ATT is really claiming that their backbone has less than 15 Mbps capacity (which is how the backbone doesn't transport at those speeds reads in plain English), this is either - an April Fools joke or - pitiful. Regards Marshall Eubanks On Apr 1, 2006, at 1:50 AM, Bruce Pinsky wrote:

Re: ATT: 15 Mbps Internet connections irrelevant

2006-04-01 Thread Jon Lewis
On Sat, 1 Apr 2006, Marshall Eubanks wrote: If ATT is really claiming that their backbone has less than 15 Mbps capacity (which is how the backbone doesn't transport at those speeds reads in plain English), this is either Maybe they meant that the typical end-user windows IP stack has small

RE: ATT: 15 Mbps Internet connections irrelevant

2006-04-01 Thread Frank Bulk
: Saturday, April 01, 2006 1:16 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ATT: 15 Mbps Internet connections irrelevant MA Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 08:34:36 +0200 (CEST) MA From: Mikael Abrahamsson MA http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060331-6498.html MA MA In the foreseeable future, having a 15 Mbps

Re: ATT: 15 Mbps Internet connections irrelevant

2006-04-01 Thread Edward B. DREGER
JL Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 14:02:13 -0500 (EST) JL From: Jon Lewis JL Maybe they meant that the typical end-user windows IP stack has small enough JL TCP windows that when you take into account typical latency across the JL internet, those users just can't utilize their high bandwidth links due to

Re: ATT: 15 Mbps Internet connections irrelevant

2006-04-01 Thread Robert Boyle
At 02:02 PM 4/1/2006, you wrote: Could be either. Did you happen to catch the woman from Verizon at the last NANOG who was sure parts of New Orleans were 2 miles below sea level? Maybe that was a really early AFJ. Maybe it's the lost city of Atlantis or maybe she was confused about meters

Re: ATT: 15 Mbps Internet connections irrelevant

2006-04-01 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Sat, Apr 01, 2006 at 08:34:36AM +0200, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060331-6498.html In the foreseeable future, having a 15 Mbps Internet capability is irrelevant because the backbone doesn't transport at those speeds, he told the conference

RE: ATT: 15 Mbps Internet connections irrelevant

2006-04-01 Thread Edward B. DREGER
FB Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 13:26:51 -0600 FB From: Frank Bulk FB The majority of U.S.-based IP TV deployments are not using MPEG-4, in fact, FB you would be hard-pressed to find an MPEG-4 capable STB working with FB middleware. *nod* Again, I don't see how ATT can claim DSL is fast enough in one

Re: ATT: 15 Mbps Internet connections irrelevant

2006-04-01 Thread Simon Lockhart
On Sat Apr 01, 2006 at 01:26:51PM -0600, Frank Bulk wrote: The majority of U.S.-based IP TV deployments are not using MPEG-4 Agreed. However, I'd say that any IPTV provider currently using MPEG2 would be planning a migration to MPEG4/H.264 - half the bandwidth means double the channels. in

Re: ATT: 15 Mbps Internet connections irrelevant

2006-04-01 Thread Simon Lockhart
On Sat Apr 01, 2006 at 08:43:54PM +, Edward B. DREGER wrote: I'm curious how program content is currently stored. (Note that I'm totally ignoring live broadcast.) If MPEG-2, I'd guess conversion to MPEG-4 might produce less-than-desirable image quality. Whilst MPEG-2 for broadcast

Re: ATT: 15 Mbps Internet connections irrelevant

2006-04-01 Thread Marshall Eubanks
I archive NTSC video in MPEG-2 at roughly 30 Mbps. That way, there are no worries about future codecs being too good for the archives. Regards Marshall On Apr 1, 2006, at 3:58 PM, Simon Lockhart wrote: On Sat Apr 01, 2006 at 08:43:54PM +, Edward B. DREGER wrote: I'm curious how

Re: ATT: 15 Mbps Internet connections irrelevant

2006-04-01 Thread Marshall Eubanks
Hello; On Apr 1, 2006, at 3:54 PM, Simon Lockhart wrote: On Sat Apr 01, 2006 at 01:26:51PM -0600, Frank Bulk wrote: The majority of U.S.-based IP TV deployments are not using MPEG-4 Agreed. However, I'd say that any IPTV provider currently using MPEG2 would be planning a migration to

RE: ATT: 15 Mbps Internet connections irrelevant

2006-04-01 Thread Matt Ghali
On Sat, 1 Apr 2006, Frank Bulk wrote: Yes, there are quite a few MPEG4-capable STB vendors with lots of middleware vendors standing behind them, but I challenge you to document one STB/middleware combination in GA. I haven't seen it. Talk to me in six months, and it will be a different

RE: ATT: 15 Mbps Internet connections irrelevant

2006-04-01 Thread Frank Bulk
satellite, not using ATT last-mile's infrastructure, which initiated this thread. Frank -Original Message- From: Matt Ghali [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 6:05 PM To: Frank Bulk Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: ATT: 15 Mbps Internet connections irrelevant

RE: ATT: 15 Mbps Internet connections irrelevant

2006-04-01 Thread Sean Donelan
On Sat, 1 Apr 2006, Edward B. DREGER wrote: Again, I don't see how ATT can claim DSL is fast enough in one breath, then turn around and say they're ready to deliver IPTV. This has been covered in other public presentations. The access link for VDSL2 has about 25Mbps at the proposed distances.

Re: ATT: 15 Mbps Internet connections irrelevant

2006-03-31 Thread Edward B. DREGER
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