In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jeroen
Massar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
Try http://www.hostip.info it is reasonable accurate in most cases and
hell it is for free. It depends what you need it for of course but it is
far better than nothing.
The problem with this one is that they are still
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Ashe Canvar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
Thanks for all your replies. I came across
http://www.hostip.info/use.html, which looks good, at least from a
API/ ease of use prespective.
I just tried that, says I'm 100 miles south of where I really am. That's
quite a
- Original Message Follows -
From: Jeff Rosowski [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I just tried that, says I'm 100 miles south of where I
really am. That's quite a long way out in a small
country like England.
Only 100 miles? I entered the address of a box I have in
Virginia, and it says
On May 17, 2006, at 2:09 PM, Scott Weeks wrote:
- Original Message Follows -
From: Jeff Rosowski [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I just tried that, says I'm 100 miles south of where I
really am. That's quite a long way out in a small
country like England.
Only 100 miles? I entered the
- Original Message Follows -
From: Marshall Eubanks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
One of the geolocation thingies said my addresses were
in Amsterdam. That's only 10,000 miles from Hawaii.
2500 miles more and that's exactly the opposite side of
the planet... ;-)
Sometimes knowing which
Marshall Eubanks wrote:
On May 17, 2006, at 2:09 PM, Scott Weeks wrote:
- Original Message Follows -
From: Jeff Rosowski [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I just tried that, says I'm 100 miles south of where I
really am. That's quite a long way out in a small
country like England.
Only 100
From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed May 17 13:22:15 2006
Cc: nanog@merit.edu
From: Marshall Eubanks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Way OT] Re: Geo location to IP mapping
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 14:21:02 -0400
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On May 17, 2006, at 2:09 PM, Scott Weeks wrote
On Wed, 2006-05-17 at 08:09 -1000, Scott Weeks wrote:
- Original Message Follows -
From: Jeff Rosowski [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I just tried that, says I'm 100 miles south of where I
really am. That's quite a long way out in a small
country like England.
Only 100 miles? I
- Original Message Follows -
From: Jeroen Massar [EMAIL PROTECTED]
One of the geolocation thingies said my addresses were
in Amsterdam. That's only 10,000 miles from Hawaii.
2500 miles more and that's exactly the opposite side of
the planet... ;-)
Try http://www.hostip.info
At 03:58 PM 5/17/2006, Scott Weeks wrote:
[ SNIP ]
That's not the address space I manage. It's just my ISP.
From www.hostip.info I get ... actually we haven't a
clue. The IP space I manage is a /15 and is in ARIN, so
it's hard to miss...
scott
It's not really fair to baseline the
Edward B. DREGER wrote:
Since when does the NSA patent things, anyhow? I'd think they would
keep secret anything that's actually effective.
They are handing out technology transfer program leaflets in
tradeshows now.
Pete
At 10:55 PM 15-05-06 -0700, Bill Woodcock wrote:
On Mon, 15 May 2006, Roland Perry wrote:
http://www.hostip.info/use.html, which looks good, at least from a
API/ ease of use prespective.
I just tried that, says I'm 100 miles south of where I really am.
That's
As a major caveat, all geolocation services do have some degree of
inaccuracy, because the sources of data are very diverse. (Some ISPs
provide complete subnet maps to MaxMind and other providers, whereas
some data is scraped from WHOIS or provided by inference from
end-users.)
And some
I can solve the visualization part and the GIS issues. But comes down
to the accuracy of the geo-ip database in the end.
According to the Brand X localisation database which
was rated tops in the Brand Y Web Magazine survey in
2005, our top customers are located in these cities.
Who said
I just tried that, says I'm 100 miles south of where I really am. That's
quite a long way out in a small country like England.
I live in London and use BT Broadband. But geolocation
shows me being in Ipswich up in East Anglia, a long
way from London. I assume this is because the geolocation
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Bill
Woodcock [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
I just tried that, says I'm 100 miles south of where I really am. That's
quite a long way out in a small country like England.
1.3ms is longer in small countries like England?
I'm virtually certain it's not being
In article
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
I just tried that, says I'm 100 miles south of where I really am. That's
quite a long way out in a small country like England.
I live in London and use BT Broadband. But geolocation
shows me being in Ipswich up in East Anglia, a
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Date: Monday, May 15, 2006 10:25 pm
Subject: Re: Geo location to IP mapping
On Mon, 15 May 2006 21:49:31 -0400, Marshall Eubanks
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I seriously doubt this would work to better than the regional area.
My zip code (20124) region is about 5 km across
Here is a tech report with a survey on geolocation and evasion techniques:
http://www.scs.carleton.ca/~jamuir/papers/TR-06-05.pdf
Thanks,
Tao Wan
http://www.scs.carleton.ca/~twan
At 10:39 AM 5/16/2006, Tao Wan wrote:
Here is a tech report with a survey on geolocation and evasion techniques:
http://www.scs.carleton.ca/~jamuir/papers/TR-06-05.pdf
This document seems to miss one other fairly common way in which
geolocation fails: VPN. Whether a single user VPN session
On Mon, 15 May 2006 22:55:40 PDT, Bill Woodcock said:
On Mon, 15 May 2006, Roland Perry wrote:
http://www.hostip.info/use.html, which looks good, at least from a
API/ ease of use prespective.
I just tried that, says I'm 100 miles south of where I really am.
--- Marshall Eubanks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
(snip)
You can't do geolocation using network timing to much better than
about 10 milliseconds because
you don't control either paths or the routers etc. in those paths.
(This requires absolute timing;
differential measurements can be
GeoIP - http://www.maxmind.com/geoip/
Ashe Canvar wrote:
Hi all,
Can any of you please recommend some IP-to-geo mapping database / web
service ?
I would like to get resolution down to city if possible.
Thanks and Regards,
-ashe
--
Alain Hebert[EMAIL
AC Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 09:35:47 -0700
AC From: Ashe Canvar
AC Can any of you please recommend some IP-to-geo mapping database / web
AC service ?
AC
AC I would like to get resolution down to city if possible.
Many people would.
Don't hope for much better than country granularity -- and even
On 5/15/06, Ashe Canvar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi all,
Can any of you please recommend some IP-to-geo mapping database / web service ?
I would like to get resolution down to city if possible.
The gold standard is MaxMind GeoIP. http://www.maxmind.com/
There are a couple free ones I've
cough scam_snake_oil_etc /cough
On Mon, 15 May 2006, Alain Hebert wrote:
:
:GeoIP - http://www.maxmind.com/geoip/
:
:Ashe Canvar wrote:
:
:
: Hi all,
:
: Can any of you please recommend some IP-to-geo mapping database / web
: service ?
:
: I would like to get resolution down to city if
At 12:49 PM 5/15/2006, Brian Wallingford wrote:
cough scam_snake_oil_etc /cough
How so?
-M
--
Martin Hannigan(c) 617-388-2663
Renesys Corporation(w) 617-395-8574
Member of Technical Staff Network
Quova seems to be the premier service: http://www.quova.com/
I read a story on them some time ago and I was left with the impression that
all the other players are rookies, but then again, you probably will pay
heavily for this service.
Geobytes is another one I've played with.
We're a small
I'm not quite comfortable with the idea of building a market audience
based on data with at best dubious accuracy.
On Mon, 15 May 2006, Martin Hannigan wrote:
:At 12:49 PM 5/15/2006, Brian Wallingford wrote:
:
:cough scam_snake_oil_etc /cough
:
:
:How so?
It works for spammers.
- billn
On Mon, 15 May 2006, Brian Wallingford wrote:
I'm not quite comfortable with the idea of building a market audience
based on data with at best dubious accuracy.
On Mon, 15 May 2006, Martin Hannigan wrote:
:At 12:49 PM 5/15/2006, Brian Wallingford wrote:
:
Thanks for all your replies. I came across
http://www.hostip.info/use.html, which looks good, at least from a
API/ ease of use prespective.
So how would the illustrious people on nanog solve the folowing issue:
+ PHB walks into my office and asks for a global distribution of my
500K customers.
Well,
I'm sure that everybodies here understand that the city databases
cannot be accurate more than 50%.
The way we disperse static IP on commercial accounts there is not
way they can figure out where the destination is.
The last best guest will be the peer router before my
IP location services are a niche service, they won't work in the broad sense of things. Sites that need to make lawyers happy, such as MLB.com will work well with IP location services. MLB.Com basically says they won't broadcast Dodger home games in the LA area on their website. (Or any team in
On Mon, 15 May 2006 13:14:41 EDT, Bill Nash said:
It works for spammers.
Certainly explains all the Turkish spam I get, what with me being
just outside Ankara and all.
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At 01:56 PM 5/15/2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 15 May 2006 13:14:41 EDT, Bill Nash said:
It works for spammers.
Certainly explains all the Turkish spam I get, what with me being
just outside Ankara and all.
That's likely because they are attempting to do some sort
of location
In article
[EMAIL PROTECTED], Ashe
Canvar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
Thanks for all your replies. I came across
http://www.hostip.info/use.html, which looks good, at least from a
API/ ease of use prespective.
I just tried that, says I'm 100 miles south of where I really am. That's
quite a
At 03:56 PM 5/15/2006, Alexander Harrowell wrote:
This is a frequent source of silly news stories - viz. the recent
one, based on Google Trends, that Birmingham (UK) is the top city
for porn searches and Brentford (UK) in the top five despite being a
small suburb of London. Reason: both are
The NSA was granted a patent for an IP geo-location technology based on
triangulation using latency measures. We played around with a similar approach
using UDP several years ago and you could triangulate to the zip code level or
so. A better way I think than the current approaches being
Yeap,
I'm moron. You didn't know it yet?
-
Come on...
The way we disperse static IP ain't imagination, its fact... We
spread a /20 on dynamic dialup and dsl over 2 provinces and since most
of the residential services is build like this you cannot get a read of
where that
At 05:36 PM 5/15/2006, Alain Hebert wrote:
Yeap,
I'm moron. You didn't know it yet?
I already mentioned the NTP thread. Let's not relive it.
There are some facts:
1. Geo location is a real application
2. There are multiple methods for obtaining the location (accuracy varies)
3. I
RP Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 21:05:35 +0100
RP From: Roland Perry
RP I just tried that, says I'm 100 miles south of where I really am. That's
RP quite a long way out in a small country like England.
me too
Home cable returned haven't got a clue.
I tried a couple other netblocks that returned
Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 17:24:48 -0400
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The NSA was granted a patent for an IP geo-location technology based
on triangulation using latency measures.
It could probably be foiled by this patented technology:
http://www.tinyurl.com/ebu6t
which is equally
AH Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 23:24:13 +0100
AH From: Alexander Harrowell
AH [W]hen the path is [...] it won't be quite that clear.
Exactly. It's a bit different than triangulating cell towers based on
signal strength.
Since when does the NSA patent things, anyhow? I'd think they would
keep
On May 15, 2006, at 4:36 PM, Alain Hebert wrote:
Yeap,
I'm moron. You didn't know it yet?
-
Come on...
The way we disperse static IP ain't imagination, its fact...
We spread a /20 on dynamic dialup and dsl over 2 provinces and
since most of the residential services
Google's available geolocation resources are much more direct: They can
get the information directly from the user. Google mail users setting
location information, google home page users setting weatherbug details,
common location searches in google maps, or local business directory
From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon May 15 17:42:13 2006
From: Kevin Day [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Geo location to IP mapping
Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 17:40:23 -0500
We use a Geo/IP location database. It's surprisingly accurate, with a
few exceptions.
[[ sneck ]]
Comparing the database
Hi,
(In a more precise manner)
I originaly stated that below country (aka, province/state, city,
zip, etc) it wont be very reliable because in my experience we spread
that /20 without the hierarchy you expect.
Meaning:
. We have subnets on LanEx going outside the city,
I seriously doubt this would work to better than the regional area.
My zip code (20124) region is about 5 km across, which would be 15
microseconds in vacuum, and
maybe at most 50 micro seconds in glass. So, you would need
accuracies at the 10's of microsecond level to specify zip codes.
On Mon, 15 May 2006 21:49:31 -0400, Marshall Eubanks
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I seriously doubt this would work to better than the regional area.
My zip code (20124) region is about 5 km across, which would be 15
microseconds in vacuum, and
maybe at most 50 micro seconds in glass. So,
On Mon, 15 May 2006, Roland Perry wrote:
http://www.hostip.info/use.html, which looks good, at least from a
API/ ease of use prespective.
I just tried that, says I'm 100 miles south of where I really am. That's
quite a long way out in a small country like
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