McBurnett, Jim wrote:
I hate top posting, but I want to make sure to get this out of the way first.
I was not trying to defend Microsoft. I meant to point out,
JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT USING MICROSOFT DOES NOT MEAN THAT YOU ARE SAFE!
Bugs happen. Vulnerabilities happen. Worms happen. This
On Wed, 13 Aug 2003, Len Rose wrote:
Hi.. just think if the billions of dollars being spent on M$
products could have been funneled into open source projects.
To reinforce the point in the most blunt manner possible:
No one had ever better dare postulate that the inherent reason
for
On Thu, Aug 14, 2003 at 02:17:08PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 14 Aug 2003, St. Clair, James wrote:
Cars did not become more popular because owners had to learn how to swap
more parts.
The good ole computers as cars metaphor. In the UK:
1) In order to drive a car,
Hi.. just think if the billions of dollars being spent on M$
products could have been funneled into open source projects.
To reinforce the point in the most blunt manner possible:
No one had ever better dare postulate that the inherent reason
for all of the vulnerabilities in Micro$oft
On Wed, 13 Aug 2003, Crist Clark wrote:
Attacks _are_ on Linux machines. There have been Linux worms, Lion attacked
BIND, Ramen attacked rpc.statd and wu-ftpd, Slapper attached Apache, to
name a few. Attacks are on Solaris, the sadmin/IIS worm (which also attacked
IIS, a cross-platform worm,
On Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 04:09:05PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
These kinds of inflated damages estimates are dubious at best.
If you've lost that much productivity, odds are you should be pointing
fingers at inapropriate redundancy and planning/procedures in your
computing facilities and
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/55/30072.html
The Klez virus last year cost businesses $9 billion worldwide in
lost
productivity,
When I read stuff like this I always wonder if these businesses count
the time spent patching their systems as 'lost' productivity.
John
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Crist Clark wrote:
To pound it home one more time, worms that attack Microsoft products are a
bigger deal only because Microsoft has at least an order of magnitude greater
installbase than the nearest competitor.
True. I'd be curious to see the worm to software vendor ratios. Anyone
have them?
On Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 01:07:15PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
How much longer will people put up with the millions of
dollars of losses in time, resources and service inflicted
on the net by the joke vulnerabilities in the toy operating
system known as Windows? Enough is Enough.
.
Dan
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From: Ejay Hire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 10:53
To: Len Rose; *Hobbit*
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: How much longer..
From my perspective, I don't care what defective operating system a worm
uses.
If a malevolent worm
But we digress and this horse is dead.
Can we move on?
The good ole computers as cars metaphor. In the UK:
1) In order to drive a car, you have to have a license.
2) In order to have the car on the road, you have to have it taxed and
have a qualified mechanic certify it for basic road worthiness.
Neither of these rules currently apply to
Users, both corporate and at home, need to be taught that there is no such
thing as plug and play.
For as much as I agree with the philosophy here, we must realize it is the
wrong approach.
Cars did not become more popular because owners had to learn how to swap
more parts. Wireless phones
Len Rose wrote:
How much longer will people put up with the millions of
dollars of losses in time, resources and service inflicted
on the net by the joke vulnerabilities in the toy operating
system known as Windows? Enough is Enough.
Sure, let's just filter everything..all service providers
--- St. Clair, James [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I've lived in the UK, and never had a license to
maintain or update the
engine.
But I bet that you DO have someone maintain the engine
in your car (and so do most people).
Additionally, I could drive on the M1 or M5 at
speeds rarely found
Well, two things here..
First, UNIX has more than it's share of vulnerabilities. For those of
you who can remember the HP Bug a day list? Or how about the
numerous problems with sendmail or BIND? Sure, all these problems have
been corrected as they've been discovered but I wouldn't wanna take
McBurnett, Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
OK..
I have lurked enough on this one..
$60 Billion plus for microsoft..
and 600 millions lines of code.
thousands of employee programmers...
Problem is, you can't engage in gunfights with 5-0, rob banks or pimp
your grandmother out on a *nix. On Windows
On Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 02:09:41PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
On Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 01:07:15PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
How much longer will people put up with the millions of
dollars of losses in time, resources and service inflicted
on the net by the joke vulnerabilities
On Thu, 14 Aug 2003, St. Clair, James wrote:
Cars did not become more popular because owners had to learn how to swap
more parts.
The good ole computers as cars metaphor. In the UK:
1) In order to drive a car, you have to have a license.
2) In order to have the car on the road, you have
On Thu, 14 Aug 2003, St. Clair, James wrote:
I've lived in the UK, and never had a license to maintain or update the
engine.
See point number 2:
2) In order to have the car on the road, you have to have it taxed and
have a qualified mechanic certify it for basic road worthiness.
The
: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 16:19
To: Stephen J. Wilcox
Cc: Len Rose; *Hobbit*; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: How much longer..
Well, two things here..
First, UNIX has more than it's share of vulnerabilities. For those
of you who can remember the HP Bug a day list? Or how about
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To pound it home one more time, worms that attack Microsoft products
are a bigger deal only because Microsoft has at least an order of
magnitude greater installbase than the nearest competitor.
--
Crist J. Clark
[EMAIL
At 12:53 PM 8/13/2003 -0500, Ejay Hire wrote:
I don't care what defective operating system a worm uses.
Yes. Lets recall that the first worm on the net was a sendmail worm, and
attacked UNIX systems. I'm no friend of Windows either, but a little
humility is in order. Windows is attacked because
Fred Baker wrote:
At 12:53 PM 8/13/2003 -0500, Ejay Hire wrote:
I don't care what defective operating system a worm uses.
Yes. Lets recall that the first worm on the net was a sendmail worm, and
attacked UNIX systems. I'm no friend of Windows either, but a little
humility is in order.
on the user will not work.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: St. Clair, James
Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED] '
Sent: 8/14/2003 9:17 AM
Subject: RE: How much longer..
On Thu, 14 Aug 2003, St. Clair, James wrote:
Cars did not become more popular because owners had to learn how to
swap
I've been considering lobbying for the imposition of an Internet license
for years now. I could think of a few people that need theirs yanked.
-Bob
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Even if you are kidding -- which I hope you are, then the Internet would
turn into a pretty meaningless endeavor the entire point of the
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Sent: 14 August 2003 14:17
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Subject: RE: How much longer..
On Thu, 14 Aug 2003, St. Clair, James wrote:
Cars did not become more popular because owners had to learn how
On Wed, 13 Aug 2003, Fred Baker wrote:
: attacked UNIX systems. I'm no friend of Windows either, but a little
: humility is in order. Windows is attacked because it is ubiquitous, not
: because it is vulnerable. If the whole world ran Linux, the attacks would
I think that'd be only partially
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Subject: Re: How much longer..
Hi.. just think if the billions of dollars being spent on M$
products could have been funneled into open source projects.
To reinforce the point in the most blunt manner possible:
No one had ever better dare postulate that the inherent reason
for all
McBurnett, Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
OK..
I have lurked enough on this one..
$60 Billion plus for microsoft..
and 600 millions lines of code.
thousands of employee programmers...
Brooks' Law (in its various forms) applies to software houses, not open
source projects. Since open
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Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 4:30 PM
To: Crist Clark
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: How much longer..
On Wed, 13 Aug 2003, Crist Clark wrote:
Attacks _are_ on Linux machines. There have been Linux worms, Lion attacked
BIND, Ramen attacked rpc.statd and wu-ftpd
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