Re: Internet access in Japan (was Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets)

2007-10-25 Thread Tom Vest
On Oct 24, 2007, at 8:11 PM, Steve Gibbard wrote: On Wed, 24 Oct 2007, Rod Beck wrote: On Wednesday 24 October 2007 05:36, Henry Yen wrote: On Tue, Oct 23, 2007 at 09:20:49AM -0400, Leo Bicknell wrote: Why are no major us builders installing FTTH today? Greenfield should be the easiest,

Re: Internet access in Japan (was Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets)

2007-10-24 Thread Henry Yen
On Tue, Oct 23, 2007 at 09:20:49AM -0400, Leo Bicknell wrote: Why are no major us builders installing FTTH today? Greenfield should be the easiest, and major builders like Pulte, Centex and the like should be eager to offer it; but don't. Well, Verizon seems to be making heavy bets on

Re: Internet access in Japan (was Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets)

2007-10-24 Thread Joe Greco
I did consulting work for NTT in 2001 and 2002 and visited their Tokyo = headquarters twice. NTT has two ILEC divisions, NTT East and NTT West. = The ILEC management told me in conversations that there was no money in = fiber-to-the-home; the entire rollout was due to government pressure and

Re: Internet access in Japan (was Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets)

2007-10-24 Thread Larry Smith
On Wednesday 24 October 2007 05:36, Henry Yen wrote: On Tue, Oct 23, 2007 at 09:20:49AM -0400, Leo Bicknell wrote: Why are no major us builders installing FTTH today? Greenfield should be the easiest, and major builders like Pulte, Centex and the like should be eager to offer it; but

Re: Internet access in Japan (was Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets)

2007-10-24 Thread Tom Vest
In the future, people are not going to believe that we permitted this to happen. Coming soon: your plumbing will be disconnected. But never fear: an Evian vending machine will delivered to every deserving household... TV On Oct 24, 2007, at 2:39 PM, Larry Smith wrote: On Wednesday 24

Re: Internet access in Japan (was Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets)

2007-10-24 Thread Dave Pooser
While probably more good than bad, it is my understanding that when Verizon (and others) provide FTTH (fiber to the home) they cut or physically disconnect all other connections to that residence. so much for any choice... At least around here, if you tell the installer you have an

RE: Internet access in Japan (was Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets)

2007-10-24 Thread Frank Bulk
Here's timely article: KDDI says 900k target for fibre users 'difficult' http://www.telegeography.com/cu/article.php?article_id=20215email=html Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Andersen Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 9:21 PM

RE: Internet access in Japan (was Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets)

2007-10-24 Thread Rod Beck
On Wednesday 24 October 2007 05:36, Henry Yen wrote: On Tue, Oct 23, 2007 at 09:20:49AM -0400, Leo Bicknell wrote: Why are no major us builders installing FTTH today? Greenfield should be the easiest, and major builders like Pulte, Centex and the like should be eager to offer it; but

Re: Internet access in Japan (was Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets)

2007-10-24 Thread Joel Jaeggli
Frank Bulk wrote: Here's timely article: KDDI says 900k target for fibre users 'difficult' http://www.telegeography.com/cu/article.php?article_id=20215email=html KDDI isn't the only ftfth provider... NTT east/west (flets), usen, softbank/yahooBB and others all play in that space. 100/100 from

RE: Internet access in Japan (was Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets)

2007-10-24 Thread Steve Gibbard
On Wed, 24 Oct 2007, Rod Beck wrote: On Wednesday 24 October 2007 05:36, Henry Yen wrote: On Tue, Oct 23, 2007 at 09:20:49AM -0400, Leo Bicknell wrote: Why are no major us builders installing FTTH today? Greenfield should be the easiest, and major builders like Pulte, Centex and the like

RE: Internet access in Japan (was Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets)

2007-10-24 Thread Rod Beck
Exactly. And because they installed fiber, the FCC has ruled that they do not have to provide unbundled network elements to competitors. It's this last bit that seems to be leading to lots of complaints, and it's the earlier pricing of unbundled network elements at or above the cost of

Re: Internet access in Japan (was Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets)

2007-10-23 Thread Dragos Ruiu
On Monday 22 October 2007 19:20, David Andersen wrote: Followed by a recent explosion in fiber-to-the-home buildout by NTT.   About 8.8 million Japanese homes have fiber lines -- roughly nine   times the number in the United States. -- particularly impressive   when you count that in

Re: Internet access in Japan (was Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets)

2007-10-23 Thread Tom Vest
On Oct 23, 2007, at 9:33 AM, Dragos Ruiu wrote: On Monday 22 October 2007 19:20, David Andersen wrote: Followed by a recent explosion in fiber-to-the-home buildout by NTT. About 8.8 million Japanese homes have fiber lines -- roughly nine times the number in the United States. --

RE: Internet access in Japan (was Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets)

2007-10-23 Thread Rod Beck
I did consulting work for NTT in 2001 and 2002 and visited their Tokyo headquarters twice. NTT has two ILEC divisions, NTT East and NTT West. The ILEC management told me in conversations that there was no money in fiber-to-the-home; the entire rollout was due to government pressure and was

Re: Internet access in Japan (was Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets)

2007-10-23 Thread Tom Vest
Yup, matches my experience (designing/deploying AOL's swan song JP network infrastructure) during the same period. The ILECs were artifacts of the Japanese regulators' 1997 effort to relieve the last mile facilities death grip on services, ala the (1984) US MFJ / ATT breakup. The new c.

Re: Internet access in Japan (was Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets)

2007-10-23 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Mon, Oct 22, 2007 at 10:20:49PM -0400, David Andersen wrote: The Washington Post article claims that: [snip] b) Fresh new wire installed after WWII I have to wonder what percentage of the population is using phone lines installed before WWII? I live in a suburb

Re: Internet access in Japan (was Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets)

2007-10-23 Thread Tom Vest
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Oct 23, 2007, at 3:20 PM, Leo Bicknell wrote: In a message written on Mon, Oct 22, 2007 at 10:20:49PM -0400, David Andersen wrote: The Washington Post article claims that: [snip] b) Fresh new wire installed after WWII I have to wonder

Re: Internet access in Japan (was Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets)

2007-10-22 Thread Jeff Shultz
David Andersen wrote: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/28/AR2007082801990.html snip Followed by a recent explosion in fiber-to-the-home buildout by NTT. About 8.8 million Japanese homes have fiber lines -- roughly nine times the number in the United States. --

Re: Internet access in Japan (was Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets)

2007-10-22 Thread David Andersen
On Oct 22, 2007, at 11:02 PM, Jeff Shultz wrote: David Andersen wrote: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/28/ AR2007082801990.html snip Followed by a recent explosion in fiber-to-the-home buildout by NTT. About 8.8 million Japanese homes have fiber lines --

Re: Internet access in Japan (was Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets)

2007-10-22 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, David Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: But no - I was as happy as everyone else when the CLECs emerged and provided PRI service at 1/3rd the rate of the ILECs Not only was that CLEC service concetrated in higher-density areas, the PRI prices were often not based in reality.