You keep saying EMIX
and you're confusing me. Peering or no? IX naturally insinuates
yes regardless of neutrality.
Exactly. IX as a component of a name is _intended to insinuate_ the
availability of peering, _regardless of whether that's actually true or
false_.
It
On 9-Feb-2006, at 02:19, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But back to EMIX. Maybe they do not offer any peering today
but is it true that they actively prohibit any companies
with routers at EMIX from peering?
There is no at EMIX. EMIX is an ISP, AS 8966, with network
connecting various cities in
On Thu, 9 Feb 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In hindsight, it would have been clearer to refer to these
places as peering exchanges however back in those days, the important
distinction wasn't between peering and transit.
There was a significant effort from 2001 to
On 2/7/06, Bill Woodcock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 7 Feb 2006, Joe Abley wrote: I would not be surprised if the toplogical centre of today's African Internet turned out to be the LINX.Yep, with 111 8th close behind.
Most of the African ISPs connect into 118th and the LINX.All the ISPs I've
At 11:08 AM 2/9/2006, Bill Woodcock wrote:
On Thu, 9 Feb 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In hindsight, it would have been clearer to refer to these
places as peering exchanges however back in those days, the important
distinction wasn't between peering and transit.
There
On 7-Feb-2006, at 23:25, Martin Hannigan wrote:
You keep saying EMIX
and you're confusing me. Peering or no? IX naturally insinuates
yes regardless of neutrality.
I'm not sure how to be more clear about this. EMIX is the name of a
transit service offered by Emirates Telecom.
Joe
On Tue, 7 Feb 2006, william(at)elan.net wrote:
And when ISP A buys access from ISP B for purpose of getting to ISP C is
that peering or transit?
I thought it was generally accepted that peering is the exhange of
routes that are not re-sent to other organisations.
Transit is when one
On Wed, 8 Feb 2006, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
On Tue, 7 Feb 2006, william(at)elan.net wrote:
And when ISP A buys access from ISP B for purpose of getting to ISP C is
that peering or transit?
I thought it was generally accepted that peering is the exhange of routes
that are not re-sent to
On Tue, 7 Feb 2006, william(at)elan.net wrote:
So what exactly is definition of transit that does not make it peering?
Transit is the exchange of TRANSITIVE routes to destinations which are not
the downstream customers of either of the two parties to the transaction.
And when
On Wed, 8 Feb 2006, Martin Hannigan wrote:
Guys, are you being semantic?
Yes, we're doggedly insisting that words mean what they're defined to
mean, rather than the opposite.
You keep saying EMIX
and you're confusing me. Peering or no? IX naturally insinuates
yes
On Tue, 7 Feb 2006, william(at)elan.net wrote:
On Tue, 7 Feb 2006, Bill Woodcock wrote:
different definitions. If you say transit is peering, just not by our
definitions, then you're into 1984 territory.
So what exactly is definition of transit that does not make it peering?
And
On Wed, Feb 08, 2006 at 10:45:47AM -0800, Bill Woodcock wrote:
On Wed, 8 Feb 2006, Martin Hannigan wrote:
Guys, are you being semantic?
Yes, we're doggedly insisting that words mean what they're defined to
mean, rather than the opposite.
You keep saying EMIX
and
On Feb 8, 2006, at 12:30 PM, william(at)elan.net wrote:
Transit is when one entity sends the routes on to other
organsiations, often with money involved.
More commonly understood is that transit involves one ISP sending all
of its BGP routes and allowing any traffic to be send from ISP A
At 01:45 PM 2/8/2006, Bill Woodcock wrote:
On Wed, 8 Feb 2006, Martin Hannigan wrote:
Guys, are you being semantic?
Yes, we're doggedly insisting that words mean what they're defined to
mean, rather than the opposite.
You keep saying EMIX
and you're confusing me. Peering
There is one in Pakistan, and maybe Dubai. I would address this
question to the SANOG list.
Regards
Marshall
On Feb 7, 2006, at 12:48 PM, Howard C. Berkowitz wrote:
I know of a Cairo IXP, and possibly one in the UAE. Is there one
in Kuwait as yet?
Howard C. Berkowitz wrote:
I know of a Cairo IXP, and possibly one in the UAE. Is there one in
Kuwait as yet?
ISOC-IL is running the IIX for Israel.
On 2/7/06, Howard C. Berkowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I know of a Cairo IXP, and possibly one in the UAE. Is there one in
Kuwait as yet?
http://www.emix.net.ae/
it's flash heavy fyi
I know of a Cairo IXP, and possibly one in the UAE. Is there one in
Kuwait as yet?
Yes, KIX. Note, there's CIX and CRIX. If you are trying to
reach African users, there's also KIX ala Kenya.
-M
--
Martin Hannigan(c) 617-388-2663
Renesys Corporation
On 7-Feb-2006, at 11:27, Aaron Glenn wrote:
On 2/7/06, Howard C. Berkowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I know of a Cairo IXP, and possibly one in the UAE. Is there one in
Kuwait as yet?
http://www.emix.net.ae/
it's flash heavy fyi
Note that EMIX is a transit service, not really peering.
On 7-Feb-2006, at 11:54, Martin Hannigan wrote:
I know of a Cairo IXP, and possibly one in the UAE. Is there one
in Kuwait as yet?
Yes, KIX. Note, there's CIX and CRIX. If you are trying to
reach African users, there's also KIX ala Kenya.
The exchange point in Nairobi is called KIXP,
At 04:11 PM 2/7/2006, Joe Abley wrote:
On 7-Feb-2006, at 11:54, Martin Hannigan wrote:
I know of a Cairo IXP, and possibly one in the UAE. Is there one
in Kuwait as yet?
Yes, KIX. Note, there's CIX and CRIX. If you are trying to
reach African users, there's also KIX ala Kenya.
The
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 3:12 PM
To: Martin Hannigan
Cc: Howard C. Berkowitz; nanog@merit.edu
Subject: Re: Middle Eastern Exchange Points
On 7-Feb-2006, at 11:54, Martin Hannigan wrote:
I know of a Cairo IXP, and possibly one in the UAE. Is there one
in Kuwait as yet?
Yes, KIX. Note
On Tue, 7 Feb 2006, Joe Abley wrote:
I would not be surprised if the toplogical centre of today's African
Internet turned out to be the LINX.
Yep, with 111 8th close behind.
On Tue, 7 Feb 2006, Frank Bulk wrote:
A look at Telegeography's bandwidth maps suggest that
At 10:30 PM 2/7/2006, Bill Woodcock wrote:
[ SNIP ]
Anyway, back to the conversation at hand:
On Tue, 7 Feb 2006, Howard C. Berkowitz wrote:
Middle Eastern Exchange Points
I know of a Cairo IXP, and possibly one in the UAE. Is there one in
Kuwait as yet?
All the
On Tue, 7 Feb 2006, Martin Hannigan wrote:
Interconnecting in a government exchange is
still peering.
Uh, not if it's buying transit.
They are peering, even if it isn't by our
definitions.
Uh, Marty... the difference between peering and transit is that they have
At 11:55 PM 2/7/2006, Bill Woodcock wrote:
On Tue, 7 Feb 2006, Martin Hannigan wrote:
Interconnecting in a government exchange is
still peering.
Uh, not if it's buying transit.
They are peering, even if it isn't by our
definitions.
Uh, Marty... the difference
On 7-Feb-2006, at 20:50, Martin Hannigan wrote:
As Joe's pointed out, what's available in the UAE, Saudi Arabia, and
Kuwait are governmental monopoly incumbent transit services, a la
STIX, as
opposed to Internet exchanges where peering takes place. There are
several private colocation
On Tue, 7 Feb 2006, Bill Woodcock wrote:
different definitions. If you say transit is peering, just not by our
definitions, then you're into 1984 territory.
So what exactly is definition of transit that does not make it peering?
And when ISP A buys access from ISP B for purpose of getting
At 01:11 AM 2/8/2006, Joe Abley wrote:
On 7-Feb-2006, at 20:50, Martin Hannigan wrote:
As Joe's pointed out, what's available in the UAE, Saudi Arabia, and
Kuwait are governmental monopoly incumbent transit services, a la
STIX, as
opposed to Internet exchanges where peering takes place.
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