Said Sprunk:
Caching per se doesn't apply to P2P networks, since they already do that
as part of their normal operation. The key is getting users to contact
peers who are topologically closer, limiting the bits * distance
product. It's ridiculous that I often get better transfer rates with
Gian Constantine wrote:
I agree with you. From a consumer standpoint, a trickle or off-peak
download model is the ideal low-impact solution to content delivery.
And absolutely, a 500GB drive would almost be overkill on space for
disposable content encoded in H.264. Excellent SD (480i)
On 21-Jan-2007, at 07:14, Alexander Harrowell wrote:
Regarding your first point, it's really surprising that existing
P2P applications don't include topology awareness. After all, the
underlying TCP already has mechanisms to perceive the relative
nearness of a network entity - counting
There 's other developments as well...
Simple Minds and Motorpyscho live. Mashed Up.
Still need to get a better grip on what the new world of Mashup business
models
http://www.capgemini.com/ctoblog/2006/11/mashup_corporations_the_shape.phpreally
is leading to? Have a look at this new mashup
Joe Abley wrote:
If anybody has tried this, I'd be interested to hear whether on-net
clients actually take advantage of the local monster seed, or whether
they persist in pulling data from elsewhere.
The local seed would serve bulk of the data because as soon as a piece
is served from it,
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Thus spake Alexander Harrowell
Good thinking. Where do I sign? Regarding your first point, it's
really
surprising that existing P2P applications don't include topology
awareness. After all, the underlying TCP already has
Sprunk:
It's a nice idea to collect popularity data at the ISP level, because
the decision on what to load into the local torrent servers could be
automated.
Note that collecting popularity data could be done at the edges without
forcing all tracker requests through a transparent proxy.
Thus spake Joe Abley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
If there was a big fast server in every ISP with a monstrous pile of
disk which retrieved torrents automatically from a selection of
popular RSS feeds, which kept seeding torrents for as long as there
was interest and/or disk, and which had some rate
On 21-Jan-2007, at 14:07, Stephen Sprunk wrote:
Every torrent indexing site I'm aware of has RSS feeds for newly-
added torrents, categorized many different ways. Any ISP that
wanted to set up such a service could do so _today_ with _existing_
tools. All that's missing is the budget and
On Sun, 21 Jan 2007, Joe Abley wrote:
Remember though that the dynamics of the system need to assume that
individual clients will be selfish, and even though it might be in the
interests of the network as a whole to choose local peers, if you can get
faster *throughput* (not round-trip
Gibbard:
It seems like if there's an issue here it's that different parties
have different
self-interests, and those whose interests aren't being served
aren't passing on the costs to the decision makers. The users'
performance interests are served by getting the fastest downloads
possible.
Good thinking. Where do I sign? Regarding your first point, it's really
surprising that existing P2P applications don't include topology awareness.
After all, the underlying TCP already has mechanisms to perceive the
relative nearness of a network entity - counting hops or round-trip
latency.
Actually, I acknowledged the calculation mistake in a subsequent post.
Gian Anthony Constantine
Senior Network Design Engineer
Earthlink, Inc.
On Jan 21, 2007, at 11:11 AM, Petri Helenius wrote:
Gian Constantine wrote:
I agree with you. From a consumer standpoint, a trickle or off-
peak
On Sun, Jan 21, 2007 at 12:14:56PM +, Alexander Harrowell wrote:
After all, the underlying TCP already has mechanisms to perceive the
relative nearness of a network entity - counting hops or round-trip latency.
Imagine a BT-like client that searches for available torrents, and records
the
On Sun, Jan 21, 2007 at 06:15:52PM +0100, D.H. van der Woude wrote:
Simple Minds and Motorpyscho live. Mashed Up.
Still need to get a better grip on what the new world of Mashup business
models
Are mashups like:
http://www.popmodernism.org/scrambledhackz/
--
``Unthinking respect for
Thus spake Dave Israel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The past solution to repetitive requests for the same content has been
caching, either reactive (webcaching) or proactive (Akamaizing.) I
think it is the latter we will see; service providers will push
reasonably cheap servers close to the edge where
On Sat, Jan 13, 2007 at 06:11:32PM -0800, Roland Dobbins wrote:
This is a very important point - perceived disintermediation,
perceived unbundling, ad reduction/elimination, and timeshifting are
the main reasons that DVRs are so popular
I am an unusual case, not having much time or
On Sat, Jan 06, 2007 at 02:35:25PM +, Colm MacCarthaigh wrote:
Oh I should be clear too. We use SI powers of 10, just like for
bandwidth, not powers of two like for storage. We quote in Megabytes
because caps are usually in gigabytes, so it's more clear for users.
IEC 60027-2 prefixes
On Tue, Jan 16, 2007 at 11:53:25AM +1300, Richard Naylor wrote:
[...]
I don't see many obstacles for content and neither do other broadcasters.
The broadcast world is changing. Late last year ABC or NBC (sorry brain
fade) announced the lay off of 700 News staff, saying news is no longer
king.
On 12 Jan 2007, at 15:26, Gian Constantine wrote:
I am pretty sure we are not becoming a VoD world. Linear
programming is much better for advertisers. I do not think content
providers, nor consumers, would prefer a VoD only service. A
handful of consumers would love it, but many would
I am pretty sure we are not becoming a VoD world. Linear programming
is much better for advertisers. I do not think content providers, nor
consumers, would prefer a VoD only service. A handful of consumers
would love it, but many would not.
There are already cheap and efficient ways of
On 15-Jan-2007, at 08:48, Michal Krsek wrote:
This system works perfectly in our linear-line distribution
(channels). As user you can choose time you want to see the show,
but not the show itself. Capacity on PVR device is finite and if
you don't want to waste the space with any
The problem with this all (or mostly) VoD model is the entrenched
culture. In countries outside of the U.S. with smaller channel
lineups, an all VoD model might be easier to migrate to over time. In
the U.S., where we have 200+ channel lineups, consumers have become
accustomed to the
To: Mikael Abrahamsson
Cc: nanog@merit.edu
Subject: Re: Network end users to pull down 2 gigabytes a
day, continuously?
On Sat, 13 Jan 2007, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
My experience is that when you show people VoD, they like it.
I have to admit the wow factor is there. But I already
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Bora Akyol wrote:
The question I asked earlier was, whether the last-mile SP networks
can handle 24x7 100% link utilization for all of their customers. I
don't think they can. And frankly, I don't know how they are going
to get revenue from the
At 09:50 a.m. 15/01/2007 -0500, Gian Constantine wrote:
The problem with this all (or mostly) VoD model is the entrenched culture.
In countries outside of the U.S. with smaller channel lineups, an all VoD
model might be easier to migrate to over time. In the U.S., where we have
200+ channel
On Sat, 13 Jan 2007, Roland Dobbins wrote:
again a la the warez community. It's an interesting question as to whether
or not the energy and 'professional pride' of this group of people could
somehow be harnessed in order to provide and distribute content legally (as
almost all of what
On Fri, 12 Jan 2007, Stephen Sprunk wrote:
There is no technical challenge here; what the pirates are already doing
works pretty well, and with a little UI work it'd even be ready for the mass
market. The challenges are figuring out how to pay for the pipes needed to
deliver all these bits
.
Frank
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Michal Krsek
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 2:28 AM
To: Marshall Eubanks
Cc: nanog@merit.edu
Subject: Re: Network end users to pull down 2 gigabytes a day,
continuously?
Hi Marshall
On Sat, 13 Jan 2007, Sean Donelan wrote:
On Fri, 12 Jan 2007, Stephen Sprunk wrote:
There is no technical challenge here; what the pirates are already doing
works pretty well, and with a little UI work it'd even be ready for the
mass
market. The challenges are figuring out how to
On Jan 12, 2007, at 11:27 PM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
On Fri, 12 Jan 2007, Gian Constantine wrote:
I am pretty sure we are not becoming a VoD world. Linear
programming is much better for advertisers. I do not think content
providers, nor consumers, would prefer a VoD only service. A
On Sat, 13 Jan 2007, Sean Donelan wrote:
What happens if a 100Mbps port is $19.95/month with $1.95 per GB
transferred up and down? Are P2P swarms as attractive?
$1.95 is outrageously expensive. Let's say we want to pass on our costs to
the users with the highest usage:
1 megabit/s for a
On Sat, 13 Jan 2007, Marshall Eubanks wrote:
For the US, an analysis by Kenneth Wilbur
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=885465 , table 1, from
this recent meeting in DC
http://www.web.virginia.edu/media/agenda.html
Couldn't read the PDFs so I'll just go from your below
On Jan 13, 2007, at 6:12 AM, Marshall Eubanks wrote:
On Jan 12, 2007, at 11:27 PM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
On Fri, 12 Jan 2007, Gian Constantine wrote:
I am pretty sure we are not becoming a VoD world. Linear
programming is much better for advertisers. I do not think
content
Dear Mikael;
On Jan 13, 2007, at 6:45 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
On Sat, 13 Jan 2007, Marshall Eubanks wrote:
For the US, an analysis by Kenneth Wilbur
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=885465 ,
table 1, from this recent meeting in DC
On Sat, 13 Jan 2007, Marshall Eubanks wrote:
A technical issue that I have to deal with is that you get a 30 minute
show (actually 24 minutes of content) as 30 minutes, _with the ads slots
included_. To show it without ads, you actually have to take the show
into a video editor and remove
On Jan 13, 2007, at 7:36 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
On Sat, 13 Jan 2007, Marshall Eubanks wrote:
A technical issue that I have to deal with is that you get a 30
minute show (actually 24 minutes of content) as 30 minutes, _with
the ads slots included_. To show it without ads, you
The cable companies have been chomping at the bit for unbundled
channels for years, so have consumers. The content providers will
never let it happen. Their claim is the popular channels support the
diversity of not-so-popular channels. Apparently, production costs
are high all around (not
Extensive evidence of the phenomenon Mike describes (inexpensive,
frequently used things moving towards flat rate, expensive and
rare ones towards sophisticated schemes a la Saturday night
stop-over fares) is presented in my paper nternet pricing and
the history of communications, Computer
This is the case of bundling, discussed in the paper I referenced in
the previous message,
http://www.dtc.umn.edu/~odlyzko/doc/history.communications1b.pdf
It is impossible, at least without detailed studies, to tell what
the effect of selling individual channels would have. Bundling
can
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Thus spake Gian Constantine:
The cable companies have been chomping at the bit for unbundled
channels for years, so have consumers. The content providers will
never let it happen. Their claim is the popular channels support the
On Jan 13, 2007, at 3:01 PM, Stephen Sprunk wrote:
Consumers, OTOH, want to buy _programs_, not _channels_.
This is a very important point - perceived disintermediation,
perceived unbundling, ad reduction/elimination, and timeshifting are
the main reasons that DVRs are so popular (and
: Re: Network end users to pull down 2 gigabytes a day, continuously?
Hi Marshall,
- the largest channel has 1.8% of the audience
- 50% of the audience is in the largest 2700 channels
- the least watched channel has ~ 10 simultaneous viewers
- the multicast bandwidth usage would be 3
end users to pull down 2 gigabytes a day, continuously?
Many of the small carriers, who are doing IPTV in the U.S., have acquired
their content rights through a consortium, which has since closed its doors
to new membership.
I cannot stress this enough: content is the key to a good industry
.
Frank
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Gian
Constantine
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 7:47 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Marshall Eubanks; nanog@merit.edu
Subject: Re: Network end users to pull down 2 gigabytes a day
: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 2:28 AM
To: Marshall Eubanks
Cc: nanog@merit.edu
Subject: Re: Network end users to pull down 2 gigabytes a day,
continuously?
Hi Marshall,
- the largest channel has 1.8% of the audience
- 50% of the audience is in the largest 2700 channels
- the least watched channel has
today.
Frank
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From: Gian Constantine [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 9:24 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Marshall Eubanks; nanog@merit.edu
Subject: Re: Network end users to pull down 2 gigabytes a day, continuously?
Yes, the NCTC.
I have spoken
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I am pretty sure we are not becoming a VoD world. Linear programming is much
better for advertisers. I do not think content providers, nor
- Original Message -
From: Gian Constantine
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 5:24 AM
Subject: Re: Network end users to pull down 2 gigabytes a day, continuously?
Yes, the NCTC.
I have spoken with two of the vendors you mentioned. Neither have pass-through licensing rights. I still have
to it.
Gian Anthony Constantine
Senior Network Design Engineer
Earthlink, Inc.
On Jan 12, 2007, at 5:29 PM, Michael Painter wrote:
- Original Message - From: Gian Constantine
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 5:24 AM
Subject: Re: Network end users to pull down 2 gigabytes a day,
continuously?
Yes
@merit.edu
Subject: Re: Network end users to pull down 2 gigabytes a day,
continuously?
Hi Marshall,
- the largest channel has 1.8% of the audience
- 50% of the audience is in the largest 2700 channels
- the least watched channel has ~ 10 simultaneous viewers
- the multicast bandwidth usage
On Sat, 13 Jan 2007, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
My experience is that when you show people VoD, they like it.
I have to admit the wow factor is there. But I already have access to VoD
through my cable company and its set-top boxes. TV over IP brings my
family exactly zero additional
Thus spake Marshall Eubanks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Jan 10, 2007, at 11:19 PM, Thomas Leavitt wrote:
I don't think consumers are going to accept having to wait for a
scheduled broadcast of whatever piece of video content they want
to view - at least if the alternative is being able to download
08, 2007 4:27
PMTo: Bora AkyolCc: nanog@merit.edu mailto:nanog@merit.eduSubject: Re: Network
end users to pull down 2 gigabytes a day, continuously?
snip
I would also argue storage and distribution costs are not asymptotically zero
with scale. Well designed SANs are not cheap. Well designed
Hi Marshall,
- the largest channel has 1.8% of the audience
- 50% of the audience is in the largest 2700 channels
- the least watched channel has ~ 10 simultaneous viewers
- the multicast bandwidth usage would be 3% of the unicast.
I'm a bit skeptic for future of channels. For making money
Hi Marshall,
- the largest channel has 1.8% of the audience
- 50% of the audience is in the largest 2700 channels
- the least watched channel has ~ 10 simultaneous viewers
- the multicast bandwidth usage would be 3% of the unicast.
I'm a bit skeptic for future of channels. For making money
At 08:40 p.m. 9/01/2007 -0500, Gian Constantine wrote:
It would not be any easier. The negotiations are very complex. The issue
is not one of infrastructure capex. It is one of jockeying between content
providers (big media conglomerates) and the video service providers (cable
companies).
How many channels can you get on your (terrestrial) broadcast receiver?
There are about 30 channels broadcast free-to-air
on digital freeview in the UK. I only have so many
hours in the day so I never have a problem in finding
something. Some people are TV junkies or they only
want some
On Tue, 9 Jan 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
between handling 30K unicast streams, and 30K multicast streams that
each have only one or at most 2-3 viewers?
My opinion on the downside of video multicast is that if you want it
realtime your SLA figures on acceptable packet loss goes down
On Jan 10, 2007, at 5:42 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
On Tue, 9 Jan 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
between handling 30K unicast streams, and 30K multicast streams
that each have only one or at most 2-3 viewers?
My opinion on the downside of video multicast is that if you want
it
On Wed Jan 10, 2007 at 09:43:11AM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And it is difficult to plug Internet TV into your existing TV setup.
Can your average person plug a cable / satellite / terrestrial (in the UK,
the only mainstream option here for self-install is terrestrial)? Power,
TV, and
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Subject: Re: Network end users to pull down 2 gigabytes a
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On Tue Jan 09, 2007 at 07:52:02AM +,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Given that the broadcast model for streaming content
is so successful, why would you want to use the
Internet for it? What
On 1/10/07, Simon Lockhart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed Jan 10, 2007 at 09:43:11AM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And it is difficult to plug Internet TV into your existing TV setup.
Can your average person plug a cable / satellite / terrestrial (in the UK,
the only mainstream option
: Gian Constantine
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 08,
2007 4:27
PMTo: Bora AkyolCc: nanog@merit.edu
mailto:nanog@merit.eduSubject: Re: Network
end users to pull down 2 gigabytes a day, continuously?
snip
I would also argue storage and distribution costs are not
asymptotically
All H.264?
Gian Anthony Constantine
Senior Network Design Engineer
Earthlink, Inc.
On Jan 10, 2007, at 4:41 AM, Richard Naylor wrote:
At 08:40 p.m. 9/01/2007 -0500, Gian Constantine wrote:
It would not be any easier. The negotiations are very complex. The
issue is not one of infrastructure
Sounds a little like low buffering and sparse I-frames, but I'm no
MPEG expert. :-)
Gian Anthony Constantine
Senior Network Design Engineer
Earthlink, Inc.
On Jan 10, 2007, at 5:42 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
On Tue, 9 Jan 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
between handling 30K unicast
Then why can't they plug in Power, TV phone line? That's
where IPTV STBs are going...
OK, I can see that you could use such a set-top box to
sell broadband to households which would not otherwise
buy Internet services. But that is a niche market.
Especially as more and more ISPs/telcos
On 1/10/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Then why can't they plug in Power, TV phone line? That's
where IPTV STBs are going...
OK, I can see that you could use such a set-top box to
sell broadband to households which would not otherwise
buy Internet services. But that is a
Alexander Harrowell wrote:
Analogous to the question of whether digicams, iPods etc will
eventually be absorbed by mobile devices.
I guess eventually it will go the other way around as well. I was
very surprised not to see Steve Jobs announce an iPod Nano-Phone.
A iPod Nano with bare-bone
Will Hargrave wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have to admit that I have no idea how BT charges
ISPs for wholesale ADSL. If there is indeed some kind
of metered charging then Internet video will be a big
problem for the business model.
They vary, it depends on what pricing model
Marshall Eubanks wrote:
Actually, this is true with unicast as well.
This can (I think) largely be handled by a fairly moderate amount of
Forward Error Correction.
Regards
Marshall
Before streaming meant HTTP-like protocols over port 80 and UDP was
actually used, we did some experiments
Alexander Harrowell writes:
For example: France Telecom's consumer ISP in France (Wanadoo) is
pushing out lots and lots of WLAN boxes to its subs, which it brands
Liveboxes. As well as the router, they also carry their carrier-VoIP
and IPTV STB functions. [...]
Right, and the French ADSL
At 08:58 a.m. 10/01/2007 -0500, Gian Constantine wrote:
All H.264?
no - H.264 is only the free stuff. Pretty well its all WindowsMedia -
because of the DRM capabilities. The rights holders are insisting on that.
No DRM = no content. (from the big content houses)
The advantage of WM DRM is
It seems to me that multi-cast is a technical solution for the bandwidth
consumption problems precipitated by real-time Internet video broadcast,
but it doesn't seem to me that the bulk of current (or even future)
Internet video traffic is going to be amenable to distribution via
multi-cast -
On Jan 10, 2007, at 11:19 PM, Thomas Leavitt wrote:
It seems to me that multi-cast is a technical solution for the
bandwidth consumption problems precipitated by real-time Internet
video broadcast, but it doesn't seem to me that the bulk of current
(or even future) Internet video traffic
: ...My view on this subject is U.S.-centric...this
: is NANOG, not AFNOG or EuroNOG or SANOG.
The 'internet' is generally boundary-less. I would hope that one day our
discussions will be likewise. Otherwise, the forces of the boundary-creators
will segment everthing we are working on and
Given that the broadcast model for streaming content
is so successful, why would you want to use the
Internet for it?
We now have to pay for spectrum, when you have to pay you look for the
cheapest delivery path.
Until we switch off analogue there is a shortage of spectrum so we have
limited
Gian Constantine wrote:
Well, yes. My view on this subject is U.S.-centric. In fairness to me,
this is NANOG, not AFNOG or EuroNOG or SANOG.
I thought Québec and Mexico did belong to the North American Network too.
...
I agree there is a market for ethnic and niche content, but it is not
I remember the times when I could watch mexican tv transmitted from a
studio in florida.
If it comes from a studio in Florida then it
is AMERICAN TV, not Mexican TV. I believe there
are three national TV networks in the USA,
which are headquartered in Miami and which
broadcast in Spanish.
]
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 4:27 PM
To: Bora Akyol
Cc: nanog@merit.edu
Subject: Re: Network end users to pull down 2 gigabytes a
day, continuously?
snip
I would also argue storage and distribution costs are not
asymptotically zero with scale. Well designed SANs are not
cheap. Well designed
On Jan 9, 2007, at 1:51 AM, Bora Akyol wrote:
[...]
I would argue that other than sports (and some news) events, there is
pretty much no content that needs to be real time.
I'm not sure I agree. I've noticed that almost any form of live TV,
with the exception of news and sports
On 8-Jan-2007, at 22:26, Gian Constantine wrote:
My contention is simple. The content providers will not allow P2P
video as a legal commercial service anytime in the near future.
Furthermore, most ISPs are going to side with the content providers
on this one. Therefore, discussing it at
We have looked at Amazon's S3 solution for storage since it is
relatively cheap. But the transit costs from Amazon are quite expensive
when it comes to moving media files at a large scale. At $0.20 per GB of
data transferred, that would get extremely expensive. At Pando we move
roughly 60
Those numbers are reasonably accurate for some networks at certain
times. There is often a back and forth between BitTorrent and NNTP
traffic. Many ISPs regulate BitTorrent traffic for this very reason.
Massive increases in this type of traffic would not be looked upon
favorably.
If you
On 9-Jan-2007, at 11:29, Gian Constantine wrote:
Those numbers are reasonably accurate for some networks at certain
times. There is often a back and forth between BitTorrent and NNTP
traffic. Many ISPs regulate BitTorrent traffic for this very
reason. Massive increases in this type of
On Tue, 9 Jan 2007, Gian Constantine wrote:
Those numbers are reasonably accurate for some networks at certain times.
There is often a back and forth between BitTorrent and NNTP traffic. Many
ISPs regulate BitTorrent traffic for this very reason. Massive increases in
this type of traffic
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Gian Constantine
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 7:27 PM
To: Thomas Leavitt
Cc: nanog@merit.edu
Subject: Re: Network end users to pull down 2 gigabytes a
day, continuously?
My contention
You are correct. Today, IP multicast is limited to a few small closed
networks. If we ever migrate to IPv6, this would instantly change.
One of my previous assertions was the possibility of streaming video
as the major motivator of IPv6 migration. Without it, video streaming
to a large
On 9-Jan-2007, at 13:04, Gian Constantine wrote:
You are correct. Today, IP multicast is limited to a few small
closed networks. If we ever migrate to IPv6, this would instantly
change. One of my previous assertions was the possibility of
streaming video as the major motivator of IPv6
On Jan 9, 2007, at 1:04 PM, Gian Constantine wrote:
You are correct. Today, IP multicast is limited to a few small
closed networks. If we ever migrate to IPv6, this would instantly
change.
I am curious. Why do you think that ?
Regards
Marshall
One of my previous assertions was the
The available address space for multicast in IPv4 is limited. IPv6
vastly expands this space. And here, I may have been guilty of
putting the cart before the horse. Inter-AS multicast does not exist
today because the motivators are not there. It is absolutely
possible, but providers have
This is a little presumptuous on my part, but what other reason would
motivate a migration to IPv6. I fail to see us running out of unicast
addresses any time soon. I have been hearing IPv6 is coming for many
years now. I think video service is really the only motivation for
migrating.
I
On Tue, 9 Jan 2007 13:21:38 -0500
Marshall Eubanks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You are correct. Today, IP multicast is limited to a few small
closed networks. If we ever migrate to IPv6, this would instantly
change.
I am curious. Why do you think that ?
I could have said the same
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The available address space for multicast in IPv4 is limited. IPv6 vastly
expands this space. And here, I may have been guilty of putting the cart
before the horse. Inter-AS multicast does not exist
Fair enough. :-)
Nearly everything has a time and place, though.
Pretty much everything on this thread is speculative.
Gian Anthony Constantine
Senior Network Design Engineer
Earthlink, Inc.
Office: 404-748-6207
Cell: 404-808-4651
Internal Ext: x22007
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On Jan 9, 2007, at
On Jan 9, 2007, at 7:17 PM, Fergie wrote:
Gian Constantine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If demand for variety in service provider selection grows with the
proliferation of IPTV, we may see the required motivation for
inter-AS multicast, which places us in a position moving to the
large
On Tue Jan 09, 2007 at 07:52:02AM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Given that the broadcast model for streaming content
is so successful, why would you want to use the
Internet for it? What is the benefit?
How many channels can you get on your (terrestrial) broadcast receiver?
If you want
On Mon Jan 08, 2007 at 10:26:30PM -0500, Gian Constantine wrote:
My contention is simple. The content providers will not allow P2P
video as a legal commercial service anytime in the near future.
Furthermore, most ISPs are going to side with the content providers
on this one. Therefore,
On Tue Jan 09, 2007 at 12:17:56AM -0800, Scott Weeks wrote:
: ...My view on this subject is U.S.-centric...this
: is NANOG, not AFNOG or EuroNOG or SANOG.
The 'internet' is generally boundary-less. I would hope that one day our
discussions will be likewise. Otherwise, the forces of the
] On
Behalf Of Simon Lockhart
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 2:42 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: Network end users to pull down 2 gigabytes a
day, continuously?
On Tue Jan 09, 2007 at 07:52:02AM +,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Given that the broadcast model
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