Re: CAT5 surge/lightning strike protection recommendations?

2005-09-14 Thread Jerry Eyers
As everyone else has said, fiber is best, but if that is not an option... We have had good luck using these: http://www.hyperlinktech.com/web/hgln_cat6.php Trancievers will work as well, but that is a more expensive option. Nothing is going to protect you from a direct strike. Jerry

Re: CAT5 surge/lightning strike protection recommendations?

2005-09-14 Thread Robert E . Seastrom
Todd Vierling [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Seriously, though, that's exactly what you're describing, and about what I'd suggest in a no-other-option scenario -- but if it's possible to pull fiber through the conduits, it would probably be far less expensive long term, or even medium term if

Re: CAT5 surge/lightning strike protection recommendations?

2005-09-14 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Robert E.Seastrom writes: Todd Vierling [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Seriously, though, that's exactly what you're describing, and about what I'd suggest in a no-other-option scenario -- but if it's possible to pull fiber through the conduits, it would probably be

Re: CAT5 surge/lightning strike protection recommendations?

2005-09-14 Thread Marshall Eubanks
On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 08:44:16 -0400 Steven M. Bellovin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Robert E.Seastrom writes: Todd Vierling [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Seriously, though, that's exactly what you're describing, and about what I'd suggest in a

Re: CAT5 surge/lightning strike protection recommendations?

2005-09-14 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Marshall Eubanks writes: My direct experience with running long-distance underground cable is dated -- let's put it like this; we were dealing with RS-232 -- but the countermeasures to a direct strike on copper cables don't seem to have improved nearly

Re: CAT5 surge/lightning strike protection recommendations?

2005-09-14 Thread Frank Coluccio
There's not much left to interpretation and preferences here, aside from the choice of medium to be used. I should also add that some of the advice that has been posted in this thread, as well-meaning and thoughtful as it has been, has been downright dangerous to follow. If one is going to run

Re: CAT5 surge/lightning strike protection recommendations?

2005-09-14 Thread Frank Coluccio
To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: CAT5 surge/lightning strike protection recommendations? There's not much left to interpretation and preferences here, aside from the choice of medium to be used. I should also add that some of the advice that has

Re: CAT5 surge/lightning strike protection recommendations?

2005-09-14 Thread David Lesher
Speaking on Deep Background, the Press Secretary whispered: re: what did your electricians say ... Back to lurking in a moment, but I should note that fire and safety code issues are so shrouded in matters of locality and jurisdiction, at times, and bound up in industry and

Re: CAT5 surge/lightning strike protection recommendations?

2005-09-14 Thread Bryan Fields
On Tuesday 13 September 2005 03:24 pm, R.P. Aditya wrote: Anyone have recommendations (tested/practical is best :-)? First bond the cable shield to earth at the entry point in both buildings. Second use a Tripplite DNET-1 at both buildings. make sure you have a single point ground terminal

Re: CAT5 surge/lightning strike protection recommendations?

2005-09-14 Thread Aditya
On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 20:24:51 +, R.P. Aditya [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I have a bunch of cat5 buried about 1 ft below the surface connecting multiple buildings on a campus (short runs) and lightning strikes nearby have caused surges along one or more of the cables and burnt out switch

Re: CAT5 surge/lightning strike protection recommendations?

2005-09-14 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Aditya writes: The short-term solution seems to be using the APC PNET1s/Tripplite DNET1/etc. in each unit and tying them to the water main as an inexpensive, immediate step while funds are allocated for conduit, labor etc.. If I recall correctly, the National

Re: CAT5 surge/lightning strike protection recommendations?

2005-09-14 Thread Mark Radabaugh
Steven M. Bellovin wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Aditya writes: The short-term solution seems to be using the APC PNET1s/Tripplite DNET1/etc. in each unit and tying them to the water main as an inexpensive, immediate step while funds are allocated for conduit, labor etc..

RE: CAT5 surge/lightning strike protection recommendations?

2005-09-13 Thread Wallace Keith
I've had good luck with Oneac products, such as RJELP100. That being said, it's probably not a good idea to connect switches and/or pc's in different buildings with copper. I'd use fiber between buildings if at all possible . Differences in ground potential between buildings (especially during

Re: CAT5 surge/lightning strike protection recommendations?

2005-09-13 Thread Jay Hennigan
On Tue, 13 Sep 2005, R.P. Aditya wrote: I have a bunch of cat5 buried about 1 ft below the surface connecting multiple buildings on a campus (short runs) and lightning strikes nearby have caused surges along one or more of the cables and burnt out switch ports. Don't do that, then. I would

Re: CAT5 surge/lightning strike protection recommendations?

2005-09-13 Thread james edwards
Fiber would be my choice. Not only will it solve the lightening strike problem; you will not have to worry about ground potentials being different on each side of the cable run. James Routing and Security Administrator At the Santa Fe Office: Cyber Mesa Telecom [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL

RE: CAT5 surge/lightning strike protection recommendations?

2005-09-13 Thread Hannigan, Martin
Anyone have recommendations (tested/practical is best :-)? The APC Protectnet PNET1 and PRM24 seem quite nice and not too expensive -- if they workpros? cons? It sounds like you're either out of NEC, or, you are grounding them to waterpipe. I believe NEC calls for grounding via

Re: CAT5 surge/lightning strike protection recommendations?

2005-09-13 Thread Mark Foster
I have a bunch of cat5 buried about 1 ft below the surface connecting multiple buildings on a campus (short runs) and lightning strikes nearby have caused surges along one or more of the cables and burnt out switch ports. I would like to protect the switch ports -- there seem to be lots of

Re: CAT5 surge/lightning strike protection recommendations?

2005-09-13 Thread Marshall Eubanks
On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 12:24:39 +1200 (NZST) Mark Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a bunch of cat5 buried about 1 ft below the surface connecting multiple buildings on a campus (short runs) and lightning strikes nearby have caused surges along one or more of the cables and burnt

Re: CAT5 surge/lightning strike protection recommendations?

2005-09-13 Thread Mark Radabaugh
R.P. Aditya wrote: I have a bunch of cat5 buried about 1 ft below the surface connecting multiple buildings on a campus (short runs) and lightning strikes nearby have caused surges along one or more of the cables and burnt out switch ports. I would like to protect the switch ports -- there seem

Re: CAT5 surge/lightning strike protection recommendations?

2005-09-13 Thread David Lesher
Speaking on Deep Background, the Press Secretary whispered: I have a bunch of cat5 buried about 1 ft below the surface connecting multiple buildings on a campus (short runs) and lightning strikes nearby have caused surges along one or more of the cables and burnt out switch ports. I would

Re: CAT5 surge/lightning strike protection recommendations?

2005-09-13 Thread Mark Radabaugh
David Lesher wrote: Surge protectors can not protect you from ground differential issues. True enough - but 10/100 Ethernet is normally isolated by the transformer on the Ethernet transceiver. AFAIK there is not a connection between the signal lines and ground. Isolation is 1500V for the

Re: CAT5 surge/lightning strike protection recommendations?

2005-09-13 Thread Todd Vierling
On Tue, 13 Sep 2005, David Lesher wrote: Put a fiber transceiver in building A. At least 10 foot away, put in a 2nd transceiver and connect THAT to the CAT5 going to building B. Connect A B wallwarts to different breakers, with surge protectorsand stock spares.o That's an amazingly