Re: SBC/ATT + Verizon/MCI Peering Restrictions

2005-11-03 Thread Sean Donelan
if i am a paying sbc or other foopoloy voice customer, and i place a voice call to aunt tillie, does aunt tillie pay sbc to hold up her end of the conversation? Historically, aunt tillie's residential telephone line was subsidized by charging more for business lines. When you called aunt

RE: SBC/ATT + Verizon/MCI Peering Restrictions

2005-11-03 Thread Wayne Gustavus (nanog)
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Barak Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 2:18 PM To: NANOG list Subject: Re: SBC/ATT + Verizon/MCI Peering Restrictions snip like to point out for the record that none of the recent

SBC/ATT + Verizon/MCI Peering Restrictions

2005-11-02 Thread Daniel Golding
Any thoughts on this: http://www.convergedigest.com/Bandwidth/newnetworksarticle.asp?ID=16437 --- snip The applicants committed, for a period of three years, to maintain settlement-free peering arrangements with at least as many providers of Internet backbone services as they did in

Re: SBC/ATT + Verizon/MCI Peering Restrictions

2005-11-02 Thread Randy Bush
the two year window is far too low given the sbc ceo's recent public statements on the use of his wires by google and the like. randy

Re: SBC/ATT + Verizon/MCI Peering Restrictions

2005-11-02 Thread Christian Kuhtz
On Nov 2, 2005, at 8:04 AM, Randy Bush wrote:the two year window is far too low given the sbc ceo's recent publicstatements on the use of his wires by google and the like.You can pretty much s/the sbc/rboc/g in this context.  Leadership seems to believe that because those who conduct business over

Re: SBC/ATT + Verizon/MCI Peering Restrictions

2005-11-02 Thread Randy Bush
if i am a paying sbc or other foopoloy voice customer, and i place a voice call to aunt tillie, does aunt tillie pay sbc to hold up her end of the conversation? if i am a paying sbc or other foopoloy dsl customer and i go to http://content.provider, why should content.provider pay to give the

Re: SBC/ATT + Verizon/MCI Peering Restrictions

2005-11-02 Thread Daniel Golding
On 11/2/05 2:04 PM, Randy Bush [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the two year window is far too low given the sbc ceo's recent public statements on the use of his wires by google and the like. randy For the curious on the list... How do you think they're going to get to customers? Through a

Re: SBC/ATT + Verizon/MCI Peering Restrictions

2005-11-02 Thread Christian Kuhtz
On Nov 2, 2005, at 9:36 AM, Randy Bush wrote: if i am a paying sbc or other foopoloy voice customer, and i place a voice call to aunt tillie, does aunt tillie pay sbc to hold up her end of the conversation? No, but they pay their local carrier. And somewhere there's an IXC in the middle.

Re: SBC/ATT + Verizon/MCI Peering Restrictions

2005-11-02 Thread Christian Kuhtz
On Nov 2, 2005, at 9:54 AM, Daniel Golding wrote: They ARE using your pipes right now, and they AREN'T paying you money. The funny thing is that your customers ARE paying you money for access to Google and Yahoo. Broadband gets a lot less compelling without content, so don't push it.

Re: SBC/ATT + Verizon/MCI Peering Restrictions

2005-11-02 Thread David Barak
--- Randy Bush [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: if i am a paying sbc or other foopoloy dsl customer and i go to http://content.provider, why should content.provider pay to give the sbc paying customer what they're already charged for? There is one scenario where the content.provider is paying

Re: SBC/ATT + Verizon/MCI Peering Restrictions

2005-11-02 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Wed, Nov 02, 2005 at 03:04:52AM -1000, Randy Bush wrote: the two year window is far too low given the sbc ceo's recent public statements on the use of his wires by google and the like. Come on, you didn't see that coming? I'd wager money that right now, somewhere at SBC, there are two

Re: SBC/ATT + Verizon/MCI Peering Restrictions

2005-11-02 Thread Deepak Jain
There is one scenario where the content.provider is paying the carrier as well - when the content.provider is a direct customer of the carrier, rather than being either a SFI-peer or a customer of an SFI-peer. This of course goes back to the question of depeering/transit/etc which we beat to