Sensible geographical addressing [Was: 16 vs 32 bit ASNs yadda, yadda]

2004-11-30 Thread Michael . Dillon
This is broken by design. What would have happend if this had be done before the fiber glut in the late 90's? As far as I am aware a couple of new fiber routes have been build and a few more cities have become nodes. I am not suggesting time machines. I am proposing that this be done now,

Re: Sensible geographical addressing

2004-11-30 Thread David Barak
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 10 years ago we didn't have the RIR system in place to help us with geographic addressing. Today we do. Now you might be able to convince me that we could achieve similar goals by putting together route registries, RIRs and some magic pixie dust. As far as I'm

Re: Sensible geographical addressing

2004-11-30 Thread Peter Corlett
David Barak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] What exactly would be so bad about taking a page from the PSTN and using a country-code-like system? There are under 200 countries on the whole planet, so that's not a huge number of bits... Not that this avoids renumbering, as countries do

RE: Sensible geographical addressing

2004-11-30 Thread Scott Morris
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Barak Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 9:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Sensible geographical addressing --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 10 years ago we didn't have the RIR system in place to help us with geographic addressing. Today we do. Now you might

Re: Sensible geographical addressing

2004-11-30 Thread David Barak
--- Peter Corlett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Barak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] What exactly would be so bad about taking a page from the PSTN and using a country-code-like system? There are under 200 countries on the whole planet, so that's not a huge number of bits...

Re: Sensible geographical addressing

2004-11-30 Thread Bill Woodcock
On Tue, 30 Nov 2004, David Barak wrote: What exactly would be so bad about taking a page from the PSTN and using a country-code-like system? There are under 200 countries on the whole planet, so that's not a huge number of bits... ...and what if you're operating in

Re: Sensible geographical addressing [Was: 16 vs 32 bit ASNs yadda, yadda]

2004-11-30 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 30-nov-04, at 16:29, Scott Morris wrote: In the interconnected world, geography is very much irrelevant to best path routing. It's all about speeds and feeds where a local-access T-1 is obviously not preferable to a cross-country OC-3. I have a very hard time seeing this as a realistic

RE: Sensible geographical addressing [Was: 16 vs 32 bit ASNs yadda, yadda]

2004-11-30 Thread Scott Morris
, November 30, 2004 2:55 PM To: NANOG list Subject: Re: Sensible geographical addressing [Was: 16 vs 32 bit ASNs yadda, yadda] On 30-nov-04, at 16:29, Scott Morris wrote: In the interconnected world, geography is very much irrelevant to best path routing. It's all about speeds and feeds where

Re: Sensible geographical addressing [Was: 16 vs 32 bit ASNs yadda, yadda]

2004-11-30 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 30-nov-04, at 23:32, Scott Morris wrote: At large NAP points (the higher order ISP's) this may make some sense because of the ubiquity of larger scale lines. Why would geographical aggregation need bigger lines?

RE: Sensible geographical addressing [Was: 16 vs 32 bit ASNs yadda, yadda]

2004-11-30 Thread Scott Morris
Of Iljitsch van Beijnum Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 7:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 'NANOG list' Subject: Re: Sensible geographical addressing [Was: 16 vs 32 bit ASNs yadda, yadda] On 30-nov-04, at 23:32, Scott Morris wrote: At large NAP points (the higher order ISP's) this may make some sense