Re: Vonage service suffers outage

2005-03-11 Thread Michael . Dillon
If a VOIP provider wants to avoid the label of telephony carrier, they should be strictly end-to-end service with no connection into the global PSTN infrastructure. An example of this would be enterprise internal phone systems, designed to propagate calls within a single corporate

Re: Vonage service suffers outage

2005-03-10 Thread Jay R. Ashworth
On Mon, Mar 07, 2005 at 04:03:11PM -, Neil J. McRae wrote: Companies like Vonage are signing up subscribers because they provide real phone service connecting you to copperline subscribers on the real phone network. That is their business model. Verizon could sell exactly the same

Re: Vonage service suffers outage

2005-03-10 Thread David Barak
--- Jay R. Ashworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Mar 07, 2005 at 04:03:11PM -, Neil J. McRae wrote: Companies like Vonage are signing up subscribers because they provide real phone service connecting you to copperline subscribers on the real phone network. That is their

Re: Vonage service suffers outage

2005-03-10 Thread Christian Kuhtz
I think the final nail in this coffin is the Vonage banner ad/masthead which describes them as the broadband phone company. If they're going to claim to be a phone company, it's reasonable that phone company regulations regarding 911, outage reporting, etc should all apply to them. But

RE: Vonage service suffers outage

2005-03-10 Thread Hannigan, Martin
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Fergie (Paul Ferguson) Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 10:35 AM To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: Vonage service suffers outage No, what makes this newsworthy is exactly what Om Malik says: VoIP

Re: Vonage service suffers outage

2005-03-10 Thread Bill Nash
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005, Christian Kuhtz wrote: I think the final nail in this coffin is the Vonage banner ad/masthead which describes them as the broadband phone company. But it's broadband! Shsh. It's an information service. It's IP. These are not the packets you're looking for. ;) What all

RE: Vonage service suffers outage

2005-03-10 Thread Hannigan, Martin
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bill Nash Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 2:57 PM To: Christian Kuhtz Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Vonage service suffers outage On Thu, 10 Mar 2005, Christian Kuhtz wrote: I think

Vonage service suffers outage

2005-03-07 Thread Fergie (Paul Ferguson)
Amidst all the hoopla w.r.t. port blocking their service, this outage couldn't have come at a worse time, methinks. The outage on Friday left about half of its 500,000 subscribers without phone service for about 45 minutes and ... was caused by a glitch with a software upgrade on Thursday

Re: Vonage service suffers outage

2005-03-07 Thread Jon Lewis
On Mon, 7 Mar 2005, Fergie (Paul Ferguson) wrote: Amidst all the hoopla w.r.t. port blocking their service, this outage couldn't have come at a worse time, methinks. The outage on Friday left about half of its 500,000 subscribers without phone service for about 45 minutes and ... was

Re: Vonage service suffers outage

2005-03-07 Thread Randy Bush
Amidst all the hoopla w.r.t. port blocking their service, this outage couldn't have come at a worse time, methinks. The outage on Friday left about half of its 500,000 subscribers without phone service for about 45 minutes and ... was caused by a glitch with a software upgrade on Thursday

Re: Vonage service suffers outage

2005-03-07 Thread Fergie (Paul Ferguson)
No, what makes this newsworthy is exactly what Om Malik says: VoIP is being oversold. http://www.gigaom.com/2005/03/06/voip-has-serious-problems/ - ferg -- Randy Bush [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Amidst all the hoopla w.r.t. port blocking their service, this outage couldn't have come at a

Re: Vonage service suffers outage

2005-03-07 Thread Michael . Dillon
No, what makes this newsworthy is exactly what Om Malik says: VoIP is being oversold. Let's be clear here. Vonage is not a VoIP company. They do not offer a VoIP service. They are a phone company that offers a type of phone service which leverages VoIP to handle the last mile connection to

RE: Vonage service suffers outage

2005-03-07 Thread Neil J. McRae
Companies like Vonage are signing up subscribers because they provide real phone service connecting you to copperline subscribers on the real phone network. That is their business model. Verizon could sell exactly the same sort of service to subscribers in California leveraging the