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But, leaving that aside, if the IP phone has
On Fri, Apr 01, 2005 at 09:54:40PM +, Paul Vixie wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jay R. Ashworth) writes:
There are, as I implied in another post, many unobvious end-to-end
systemic characteristics that make the PSTN the PSTN that Internet
Telephony isn't going to be able to fulfill for some
Dan Hollis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...]
because integrated or pci audio are often plagued by internal
electrical noise. USB largely avoids this by doing all the
conversion externally and largely isolated.
Like that's going to matter for a monaural signal that's sampled at
8kHz with 13 bits
On 4/1/2005 12:34 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
on the other hand I disagree with your example that the US is inventing
everything,
Nope, didn't say that either.
Also, look at where implementation of high-speed local access is being
done, it's not in the US anyway.
Also a reflection of
most american PBX's don't have 911 as a dialplan. you have to dial
9-911.
this isn't a violation of the law as long as there's a warning
labelabout it.
but go ahead and visit a few large companies and tell me how many such
warning
labels you see. as an added boon, note that campuses with
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [Fri 01 Apr 2005, 13:33 CEST]:
Why can't we have VoIP phones with built-in GPS receivers and a
Because GPS doesn't work indoors.
-- Niels.
--
The idle mind is the devil's playground
--- Owen DeLong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I can't speak for Paul, but, I propose that the
government stop telling
me what I do or don't need, and what risks are or
are not acceptable for
my family and allow me to make those choices for
myself.
This belief == libertarianism, no?
I take
Why can't we have VoIP phones with built-in GPS receivers and a
Because GPS doesn't work indoors.
GPS works anywhere where the satellite signals can be detected.
http://www.u-blox.com/technology/supersense.html
Obviously, signals get weaker when they have to pass through
solid materials
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Fri 01 Apr 2005, 14:57 CEST]:
Why can't we have VoIP phones with built-in GPS receivers and a
Because GPS doesn't work indoors.
GPS works anywhere where the satellite signals can be detected.
http://www.u-blox.com/technology/supersense.html
Obviously, signals get
To: nanog@merit.edu
Subject: Re: potpourri (Re: Clearwire May Block VoIP Competitors )
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 13:58:39 +0100
Why can't we have VoIP phones with built-in GPS receivers and a
Because GPS doesn't work indoors.
GPS works anywhere where
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Barak) writes:
sure as hell, we'll see laws requiring every home to have a telephone,
to have that telephone in the kitchen or other main room of the home,
and to be clearly marked. then the POTS tithe comes back, it'll be
with vengeance.
So given that you
Personally, I'm quite glad for government regulations
regarding food safety, home inspection, and lots of
other things which are safety related. There are
other restrictions which I'm not thrilled about, but I
have yet to hear a compelling reason (which does not
inherently boil down to a
On Fri, 1 Apr 2005, Adi Linden wrote:
If VoIP companies are regulated into providing 911 service, minimum
availability standards, etc is one thing. Forcing anyone that might be
transporting VoIP into becoming a Telco is quite another...
At this point, I think it's simply an argument over the
--- Adi Linden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If VoIP companies are regulated into providing 911
service, minimum
availability standards, etc is one thing. Forcing
anyone that might be
transporting VoIP into becoming a Telco is quite
another...
I agree - the former is exactly the direction I
On Fri, 1 Apr 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why can't we have VoIP phones with built-in GPS receivers and a built-in
911 dialplan that makes the phone transmit your coordinates along with the
emergency call?
are you serious? if you are, why don't you ask for a pony while
you're at it.
Actually, that's an interesting point...
What if SIP based phones could know do the following:
1. If they know where they are, include:
X-Lat: N/S dd:mm:ss.sss
X-Lon: E/W ddd:mm:ss.sss
In the SIP headers.
2. If they
On Thu, Mar 31, 2005 at 09:45:42AM -0800, David Barak wrote:
we're going to have to integrate it into our computers. (dammit, i
need a decent quality USB headset for less than USD $300!) because
as long as something looks-like-a-phone, the POTS empire can use the
NANP (or local equivilent)
On Thu, Mar 31, 2005 at 11:25:27AM -0800, David Barak wrote:
most american PBX's don't have 911 as a dialplan.
you have to dial 9-911.
We work on different PBXes. The ones on which I work
are specifically configured to respond to 911 OR 9-911
to avoid a problem. Would YOU want to have
On Fri, Apr 01, 2005 at 09:30:19AM -0800, Bill Nash wrote:
On Fri, 1 Apr 2005, Adi Linden wrote:
If VoIP companies are regulated into providing 911 service, minimum
availability standards, etc is one thing. Forcing anyone that might be
transporting VoIP into becoming a Telco is quite
On Thu, Mar 31, 2005 at 06:48:08PM +, Paul Vixie wrote:
but go ahead and visit a few large companies and tell me how many such warning
labels you see. as an added boon, note that campuses with blocks of 1000 DIDs
end up using the corporate headquarters or the address of the PBX as the 911
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jay R. Ashworth) writes:
There are, as I implied in another post, many unobvious end-to-end
systemic characteristics that make the PSTN the PSTN that Internet
Telephony isn't going to be able to fulfill for some time, if ever, due
to the differing fundamental engineering
On Fri, 1 Apr 2005, Randy Bush wrote:
(speaking of amazon, i found that usb headsets are down to ~$34.94
now. yay!)
if you mean the logitech 980130-0403, $32 at newegg
why is usb better than the headset/mic jacks?
because integrated or pci audio are often plagued by internal electrical
(speaking of amazon, i found that usb headsets are down to ~$34.94
now. yay!)
if you mean the logitech 980130-0403, $32 at newegg
why is usb better than the headset/mic jacks?
randy
USB is better because almost every computer today has USB ports. Not
all of them have headset/mic jacks.
My personal favorite is the Telex H551 implemented as a USB adapter
which provides standard headset/mic jacks.
Owen
--On Friday, April 1, 2005 2:00 PM -0800 Randy Bush [EMAIL PROTECTED]
a couple of off-the-wall notes. i'm bouncing off of stephen sprunk here,
but in fact these notes have very little to do with his excellent article:
Toll-quality voice requires ...
...all kinds of things that nobody outside the POTS empire actually
cares about. folks just want to talk.
--- Paul Vixie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
Toll-quality voice requires ...
...all kinds of things that nobody outside the POTS
empire actually
cares about. folks just want to talk. cell-quality
voice is fine.
(just ask anybody in panama who has relatives in the
USA!)
anecdote:
On Thu, 31 Mar 2005, Paul Vixie wrote:
(dammit, i need a decent quality USB headset for less than USD $300!)
Here in Sweden you can purchase a skypephone which is a POTS wireless
phone with a USB connector. It has two call buttons, one which taps into
your computer Skype client, one that works
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Barak) writes:
anecdote: one of my good friends uses Vonage, and my wife complained to
me yesterday that she has a very hard time understanding their phone
conversations anymore. She correctly identified the change in quality as
originating from the VoPI.
as long
--- Paul Vixie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Barak) writes:
anecdote: one of my good friends uses Vonage, and
my wife complained to
me yesterday that she has a very hard time
understanding their phone
conversations anymore. She correctly identified
the change
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Barak) writes:
Well, here's the catch - it wasn't the VoIP subscriber who was
complaining, it was the PSTN subscriber. The experience left her with
the opinion that VoIP = bad quality voice. I suspect you'll see a lot of
this...
like the libertarians like to say,
On Thursday 31 March 2005 14:15, Paul Vixie wrote:
occam's razor? We have government regulations regarding things which
look like (and function similarly to) light switches, no? We have
government regulations regarding the nature of water and sewer pipes, why
not regulations regarding
On Thu, 31 Mar 2005, Paul Vixie wrote:
to that end, i've wondered why the US doesn't join other industrialized
nations in regulating cellular roaming agreements and tower spacing and
coverage. in the parts of sweden with a density less than 10 people per
square kilometer, cell phones work. in
On 3/31/2005 2:40 PM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
But I do agree, the whole US market would be better off with more
regulation in all areas actually.
No, we're not Europe.
There is no need for a lot of parallell networks really,
Our system is chaotic and annoying at times but it produces
On 3/31/2005 2:29 PM, Larry Smith wrote:
If / when we get back to the state of monopoly on data pipes such as
water and sewer are today (I doubt you have little if any choice on
where your water comes from or where your sewer goes
There are loads of non-municipal installs where if you want
On 3/31/2005 7:22 PM, Brad Knowles wrote:
At 6:27 PM -0600 2005-03-31, Eric A. Hall wrote:
Our system is chaotic and annoying at times but it produces better stuff
in the form of whole new technologies and in the form of incremental
improvements to existing technologies.
Don't
--- Paul Vixie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
sure as hell, we'll see laws requiring every home to
have a telephone, to
have that telephone in the kitchen or other main
room of the home, and to
be clearly marked. then the POTS tithe comes back,
it'll be with vengeance.
So given that you see
On Thu, 31 Mar 2005, Eric A. Hall wrote:
Besides which, your exmple of parallel [and identical] networks shows
that there are dumb things to be found in trying to maintain artifical
competition in a non-competitive environment.
Yes, of course there are plenty of examples of dumb things being
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