Re: NANOG laptops (was Re: Customer-facing ACLs)

2008-03-10 Thread Mark Prior
William Allen Simpson wrote: Marshall Eubanks wrote: I used to count the proportion of Mac laptops in the room (or, at least, my row) to pass the time when I was bored. I remember at the 1999 Washington IETF I saw exactly one, and I could hear people whisper about it around me. I

Tools to measure TCP connection speed

2008-03-10 Thread Joe Shen
hi, is there any tool could measue e2e TCP connection speed? e.g. we want to measue the delay between the TCP SYN and receiving SYN ACK packet. Joe __ Search, browse and book your hotels and flights through

RE: Tools to measure TCP connection speed

2008-03-10 Thread Darden, Patrick S.
Best way to do it is right after the SYN just count one one thousand, two one thousand until you get the ACK. This works best for RFC 1149 traffic, but is applicable for certain others as well. I don't know of any automated tool, per se. You really couldn't do it *well* on the software

Re: Tools to measure TCP connection speed

2008-03-10 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2008-03-10, Joe Shen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is there any tool could measue e2e TCP connection speed? hping (or tcpdump while you make a connection by any method).

RE: Tools to measure TCP connection speed

2008-03-10 Thread Ray Burkholder
On 2008-03-10, Joe Shen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is there any tool could measue e2e TCP connection speed? WireShark, which also has a basic analysis package built-in for error and connection setup statistics. -- Scanned for viruses and dangerous content at http://www.oneunified.net

RE: Tools to measure TCP connection speed

2008-03-10 Thread Michienne Dixon
We use LAN Traffic v2 to test speeds on our network. http://www.omnicor.com/netest.htm - Michienne Dixon Network Administrator liNKCity 312 Armour Rd North Kansas City, MO 64116 www.linkcity.org (816) 412-7990 From: Joe Shen Sent: Mon 3/10/2008 4:00 AM To: NANGO Subject: Tools to measure TCP

Re: Tools to measure TCP connection speed

2008-03-10 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 4:00 AM, Joe Shen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi, is there any tool could measue e2e TCP connection speed? e.g. we want to measue the delay between the TCP SYN and receiving SYN ACK packet. So, all you want to know is basic RTT? Do you want to know about the

Re: Customer-facing ACLs

2008-03-10 Thread Chris Marlatt
Dave Pooser wrote: Do bots try brute force attacks on Telnet and FTP? All I see at my firewall are SSH attacks and spam. But sure, if there's a lot of Telnet abuse block 23 too; I think it's used about as rarely by normal customers as SSH is. Depending on the ip space I find FTP brute force

Re: Customer-facing ACLs

2008-03-10 Thread Adrian Chadd
Do bots try brute force attacks on Telnet and FTP? All I see at my firewall are SSH attacks and spam. But sure, if there's a lot of Telnet abuse block 23 too; I think it's used about as rarely by normal customers as SSH is. Depending on the ip space I find FTP brute force attacks 10 times

Re: Customer-facing ACLs

2008-03-10 Thread Justin Shore
Adrian Chadd wrote: Does anyone have any handy links to actual raw data and papers about this? I'm sure we've all got our own personal datapoints to support automated network probes but I'd prefer to stuff something slightly more concrete and official(!) into the Wiki. SANS ISC might have

RE: Tools to measure TCP connection speed

2008-03-10 Thread Joe Shen
we do not just want to analyze e2e performance, but to monitor network performance at IP and TCP layer. We monitor end-to-end ping with smokeping, but as you know, ICMP data does not reflect application layer permance at any time. So, we set up two hosts to measure TCP permance. Is there

Peering with the Internet Alert Registry

2008-03-10 Thread Josh Karlin
All, Some of you are aware of the site for network operators: http://iar.cs.unm.edu/ which has running for two years now. The purpose of the site is to detect and distribute network anomaly information to the network operators that need to know. The flip side of our proposed security system,

RE: Tools to measure TCP connection speed

2008-03-10 Thread Jamie Bowden
Ttcp will give you what you're looking for, but it's not something you can run in the background and forget. You have to bring it up on both ends, and while it's running, it won't even pretend to try and be friendly about bandwidth usage. It'll give you a summary after it has finished

Re: Tools to measure TCP connection speed

2008-03-10 Thread Wil Schultz
A couple of tools I use from time to time are iperf and ttcp. I'll run iperf on some host and either run ttcp to it from a router or iperf to another host. You can also run ttcp router to router. -wil On Mar 10, 2008, at 8:51 AM, Joe Shen wrote: we do not just want to analyze e2e

Re: Customer-facing ACLs

2008-03-10 Thread Sean Donelan
On Fri, 7 Mar 2008, Scott Weeks wrote: To me there is no question of whether or not you filter traffic for residential broadband customers. SBC in my area (Dallas) went from wide open to outbound 25 blocked by default/opened on request. I think doing the same thing with port 22 would hardly

ARIN CAIDA IPv6 Survey

2008-03-10 Thread Member Services
The American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN), in cooperation with the Cooperative Association for Internet Data Analysis (CAIDA), is conducting a survey to gather data regarding the current and future use of IPv6 throughout the ARIN Region. For a complete list of countries go to:

Re: Customer-facing ACLs

2008-03-10 Thread Scott Weeks
Long response with answers inline... --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:--- Might as well do TCP 20, 21 and 23, too. Woah, that slope's getting slippery! Depends on how you ask the questions. How about: Should a statefull firewall be provided for casual broadband dynamic

Re: Customer-facing ACLs

2008-03-10 Thread Sean Donelan
On Mon, 10 Mar 2008, Scott Weeks wrote: The hard part is I now always take over networks that have been in operation a long time and enabling these policies can be very painful after the fact. Establishing them when the network is new is a different story. Whatever you decide, whether you

Re: Customer-facing ACLs

2008-03-10 Thread Scott Weeks
-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- On Mon, 10 Mar 2008, Scott Weeks wrote: The hard part is I now always take over networks that have been in operation a long time and enabling these policies can be very painful after the fact. Establishing them when the network is new is a

Re: Peering with the Internet Alert Registry

2008-03-10 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 11:01 AM, Josh Karlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All, Some of you are aware of the site for network operators: http://iar.cs.unm.edu/ which has running for two years now. The purpose of the site is to detect and distribute network anomaly information to the network

Customer-facing ACLs

2008-03-10 Thread Ang Kah Yik
Hi Justin (and all others on-list) I understand your grounds for blocking outbound SMTP for your customers (especially those on dynamic IP connections). It probably will do good to block infected customers that are spewing spam all over the world. However, considering the number of mobile

Re: Customer-facing ACLs

2008-03-10 Thread Andy Dills
On Tue, 11 Mar 2008, Ang Kah Yik wrote: Hi Justin (and all others on-list) I understand your grounds for blocking outbound SMTP for your customers (especially those on dynamic IP connections). It probably will do good to block infected customers that are spewing spam all over the world.

Re: Customer-facing ACLs

2008-03-10 Thread Ang Kah Yik
Hi Andy (and all who responded), Thanks for the heads-up on the redirection on SMTP traffic. I've yet to see an implementation of it but I agree that it's a possible solution. As for the issue I raised previously, perhaps corporate users isn't a good example but what about users of email

Customer-facing ACLs

2008-03-10 Thread mack
-- Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 07:58:01 +0800 From: Ang Kah Yik [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Customer-facing ACLs Hi Justin (and all others on-list) I understand your grounds for blocking outbound SMTP for your customers (especially those on dynamic IP

Re: Customer-facing ACLs

2008-03-10 Thread Sean Donelan
On Mon, 10 Mar 2008, Scott Weeks wrote: The default policy is we allow eveything. It takes no explaining. If you don't bother to explain to the same customers who you believe couldn't figure out how to change the default settings, what the risks and how to protect their computers on the

Re: Peering with the Internet Alert Registry

2008-03-10 Thread Josh Karlin
Chris, That's a good question. IAR peers that also wish to run PGBGP will transmit their anomalous routes out of band to the IAR. This will likely be done via logs and a simple forwarding script. Josh On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 4:01 PM, Christopher Morrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon,

Re: Customer-facing ACLs

2008-03-10 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 7:58 PM, Ang Kah Yik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Justin (and all others on-list) I understand your grounds for blocking outbound SMTP for your customers (especially those on dynamic IP connections). It probably will do good to block infected customers that are

Re: Customer-facing ACLs

2008-03-10 Thread Adrian Chadd
I've attempted to summarise the replies I found useful in the Wiki: http://nanog.cluepon.net/index.php/MailTopics#Customer-Facing_ACLs My personal observations: * More information about what networks are doing would be nice! * More data points about probes/scans/etc would be nice! * Filtering

Re: Customer-facing ACLs

2008-03-10 Thread Justin Shore
Ang Kah Yik wrote: However, considering the number of mobile workers out there who send email via their laptops to corporate SMTP servers, won't blocking outbound SMTP affect them? After all, there are also those who frequently move from place to place so they're going to have to keep

RE: Customer-facing ACLs

2008-03-10 Thread Frank Bulk - iNAME
We have a two-dozen line long ACL applied to our CMTS and BRAS blocking Windows and virus ports and have never had a complaint or a problem. We do have a more sophisticated residential or large-biz customers ask, but only once has our ACL been the source of a problem and it's only because the

RE: Customer-facing ACLs

2008-03-10 Thread Frank Bulk - iNAME
Those using Google for SMTP can still use their ISP's SMTP servers for outbound Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ang Kah Yik Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 7:40 PM To: Andy Dills Cc: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: Customer-facing