you might be surprised how long things linger. But your point is well taken -
once IPv4 stops being the primary internetworking protocol, it'll be reduced to
special cases pretty quickly.
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Wouldn#39;t a reasonable approach be to take the sum of a 6500/msfc2 and a
2851, and assume that the routing computation could be offloaded?
The difficulty I have with this discussion is that the cost per prefix is zero
until you need to change eigenstate, where there#39;s a big cost, and then
include these options, which the
requesting router could then turn around and include in the RAs sent out on the
link toward the customer.
Am I missing something?
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) (24 bit half-MAC)
This would allow a CPE router to serve as the gateway for up to 64K VLANs, and
wouldn't waste a byte in the middle of the address space.
How about it?
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all the way
back to the CO?
If the number of prospective customers per fiber termination is lower than the
density required to make a profit on the service anytime soon, there is little
incentive to do an overbuild.
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Yes, yes, there are multiple other ways to do this,
but their failure modes might not be as easy for your
providers to help you troubleshoot as BGP is.
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. I figured whois
would at least return
something about it not being allocated.
Is this hijacked space?
Sounds like you have a bad whois client. The web
whois at arin.net shows that it's allocated to
Charter.
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platforms when upgrading).
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be a way for a service provider to differentiate
themself from the rest of the pack.
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--- william(at)elan.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Any suggestion as to what IGP protocol is best for
this scenario?
Are you sure you need an IGP at all? Is it possible
that HSRP or GLBP could fit your needs?
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addresses
portable would pay a fee to the ISP whose addresses
they are, and maintain redirection equipment to the
real IPs... And perhaps the price of doing so would
actually be higher than just keeping a T1 to that
first provider...
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that for the
injection.
The same mechanisa which can detect bogus prefixes
from a peer/customer can detect them from a hijacked
session. The cost/benefit ratio is better for
securing the routers themselves.
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decision points which I need to monitor
and manage, not 10,000.
P.S. I don't believe that shim6 will ever succeed.
Neither do I.
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with having a routable netblock, then each of those
cases results in the enterprise being able to pass
packets, and only the one ASN per city approach
requires multiple netblocks.
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to addressing hierarchy instead. Besides, /48s are
cheap now, but if every enterprise gets multiple /48s
from multiple providers, they might become dear more
quickly than is desired.
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to fix? If
we're in the world of deaggregates anyway, why not
just ditch the addressing model instead of accepting
its limitations in this way?
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--- Joe Abley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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As far as I can tell, the whole reason for these
discussions is the insistence on the strict
PA-addressing model, with no ability to advertise
PA
space to other providers.
The whole reason
a
provider...
For your I have a cablemodem AND a DSL folks, Shim6
sounds like exactly what they need. However, once you
start talking about enterprise-wide policies, etc,
Shim6 starts to look like a really heavy hammer.
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mechanism is selected, it needs to support an
intermediate-system-based routing decision algorithm,
not just an end-system-based approach.
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actually make changes to my edge routers would keep me
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- one is to degrade competitors/those who don't pay,
and the other is to offer a premium service to those
who do pay.
Would your perception of those two scenarios be
identical?
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that amount per year. They may exist, but they're
certainly not the majority of the groups looking for
PI IP.
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--- Joe Abley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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I have
yet to find an organization which is concerned
about
getting new PI space which would have a problem
paying
that amount per year. They may exist,
They definitely exist.
Okay, I'll take your
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--- Owen DeLong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is that still true if the adequate service is
being provided at a price which is two to three
times what it should be costing and the provider
is
enjoying the ability to do
layer-2 last-mile,
or for that matter layer-3 last mile. Why shouldn't
the city just say everyone hop on our citywide IP
network, and then everyone can compete at higher
layers of the stack?
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at work. If you want it to be
different, what you want is more, not less regulation.
That may or may not be a good thing, but let's just
be very clear about it.
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--- Matthew Crocker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think what is really represented there is that
because
they own an existing network that was built with
public
subsidy
by
the sources and sinks of traffic (it's certainly an
understandable, if unlikely, desire). I would just
like to point out for the record that none of the
recent depeering battles have involved any RBOCs...
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identifier, and keeping that out of layer-3 keeps
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I have had with v6 from the beginning is that it's not
trying to optimize a single layer, it's really trying
to merge several layers into one protocol. Ugh.
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allocation, an entity would
have to agree to route the swamp space, and not route
the private space.
And as long as I'm dreaming, I'd like a pony...
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network is a tier-one. In routing,
definitions differ, and whatever definition is used,
it's a smaller set than the marketing bunch...
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--- Austin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's worth noting that C's don't need actual IP
address space assigned to
the router-id for OSPF. It's just an arbitrary
value; it's probably better
karma to set it to whatever you want (maybe
something that doesn't look
like an IP address).
better than
knowing about N intermediate systems?
Am I missing something here?
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times per month? Accidentally using a
non-local ISP number can result in a bill in the
hundreds of dollars pretty easily (also no pizza).
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that.
Not unreasonable at all (although personally, I like
the TX-style all your long distance are 11D, else
10D approach). Simple consumer protection, similar
to the offtopic warning!
requirement to publish both per item and per measured
unit pricing on foodstuffs... /offtopic
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Indeed - Cisco's hardware, especially the older,
smaller boxes, tended
to be really solid once you got them running. I was
just pondering a
few minutes ago on how many 2500's I configured
installed in 1996 1997
are still running today, on
a concrete example of
this stuff in the wild.
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correct E911 system
may be inappropriate.
If a person is calling 911 from a plane in flight, are
we really so concerned about which PSAP receieves the
call?The last known fix would likely have been the
point of origin in any case...
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disconnected long term, why not get additional AS
numbers?
I find blaming 250 extra routes WITH EXACTLY THE
SAME PATH INFO on ARIN pretty unconvincing...
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It's not the *best* solution, but it's probably the
least worst.
Least worst could describe pretty much everything
about how we do networking today, so count me in the
chorus of folks who consider outages completely
on-topic.
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Dean has weighed in on topics such as router
architecture and the
ubiquitousness of packet-based-load-balancing in
backbone networks, and
been thoroughly wrong.
I never said that PPLB is ubiquitous
:
Remember the Baltimore tunnel fire? The protect ring
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is a direct safety issue, the exact same
argument applies to emissions standards. They're
standard for a reason: they apply to everyone, and
every car maker must comply. (SUVs are classified as
trucks, and comply with the truck rules).
Why would these arguments not apply to VoIP?
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general area of the country, you can afford a
larger transmit buffer without
risking the walkie talkie effect.
all it has to be is as good as a cell phone.
Requirements differ. To paraphrase Randy, I
encourage my competitors to use this voice quality
standard.
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--- Paul Vixie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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anecdote: one of my good friends uses Vonage, and
my wife complained to
me yesterday that she has a very hard time
understanding their phone
conversations anymore. She correctly identified
the change
this as likely, and by your
tone, I'm guessing that you're not in favor of this
outcome, what do you propose?
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T2 = pays one or more T1 providers to carry their
prefixes, may or may not run a default-free network.
T3 = leaf node, pays one or more T1/T2 providers to
carry their traffic, probably uses default route.
YMMV, blah blah blah
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-leaning NANOG membership is used to,
but it's not like they've got 2 heads and three arms -
if you prick them, they'll bleed...
so while I agree that this is a goofy law which was
poorly written - there IS a demand for this type of
service, and we'll see how it plays out.
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difficult doesn't mean the end of free speech forever.
Why not wait and see what happens?
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snip regarding attractive nuisance
Well, there has been some movement - Cisco has changed
their policy, as noted here:
http://www.merit.edu/mail.archives/nanog/2005-02/msg00354.html
Now if we can just get everyone else to play along...
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in utah, and on
the family-friendly cableco feed, you can see the
various prophylactic manufacturers' ads.
Many of the statements I've seen here are very doom
and gloom about Utah - honestly, folks, it's not THAT
bad.
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such.
Wouldn't you then be guilty of doing the exact thing
which the legislature is doing? Besides any
discussion regarding collusion or anticompetitive
behavior, how does this type of action improve free
speech? Personally, I WANT everyone in Utah to get to
my content.
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had some success in
restricting other public displays of adult activities
(believe it or not, there used to be strip clubs
within 4 blocks of the mormon temple there - the city
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wrote:
David Barak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
While it says that bogon filters change, and
provides
a URL to check it, what percentage of folks who
would
use a feature like autosecure would ever update
their filters?
What do they do
be in charge of said
router. Am I missing
something here???
The primary audience for the autosecure feature is
people who really don't quite get routers. No, they
don't have any business with enable, but do they have
it? yes.
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While it says that bogon filters change, and provides
a URL to check it, what percentage of folks who would
use a feature like autosecure would ever update
their filters?
sigh.
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sure
that their topology reflects and respects your
underlying IP network topology. If you don't, you can
get unpleasant consequences.
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proposals ([ADV],
etc) to facilitate legit UCE, but that hasn't slowed
the arms race. How would you recommend that we make
it easier for legit businesses?
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not THAT many). I seem to remember a person
from Covad saying that their deaggregation was going
to be temporary
(http://www.merit.edu/mail.archives/nanog/2004-11/msg00366.html)
for some value of temporary, but what about the
others? Any of the rest of you want to speak up and
explain this?
=
David
to a
centralized bogon server.
However, the complexity of setting up the real-time
BGP bogon feeds is not that hard - anyone who would
use the above command could do it - so I'm not sure
that this requires any new tools.
=
David Barak
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?
A straight TDM mux will work fine. ATM is a layer 2,
and as long as your mux isn't trying to do anything
other than TDM T3 - T1 demuxing, it will work.
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not a huge number of bits...
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[...]
What exactly would be so bad about taking a page
from the PSTN and
using a country-code-like system? There are under
200 countries on
the whole planet, so that's not a huge number of
bits
4861 1224-6085 AS701 UU UUNET Technologies,
Inc.
1820 437-2257 AS705 UU UUNET Technologies, Inc.
758 268-1026 AS7046UU UUNET Technologies, Inc.
Any idea what happened here? Is this long-term?
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for your
application, but I thought it was great.
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addresses avoids any complications with that.
Also, it avoids the stupid autoresponder issues which
some corporations force upon their employees. Your
argument works if you're the boss. If you're not, of
if there's any PHBs above you, it's better to stick
with the private email.
=
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--- Petri Helenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
Pay me to treat your prefixes more nicely? 1/2 :-)
Isn't that the difference between transit and peering?
Does anyone dampen people who are paying them?
=
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at the same time,
the uncertainty principle does not apply. The
principle has been analogized to describe larger
systems and items, and is a useful but not always
completely accurate metaphor. It is entirely possible
to observe some things without affecting them.
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regardless of whether they are
measured.
Perhaps some beer and philosophy at the October
meeting?
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are a pretty meaningless
metric.
I'm not sure that I'd agree with this statement. What
about the traffic from compromised sources? The pps
floods or spam emails are not being created with the
knowledge of the source, so it would be hard to say
that the source wanted to send it.
-David Barak
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and a gigabit
trunk to a 3550 is
what I would do.
It's always worth taking a look at multiple vendors:
the m7i is a lot of power for not so much money,
relatively speaking, although you won't find much on
the ebay-market...
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network?
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of some of our young/new posters?
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, there is a lot of
gear out there which can't.
Moral: if you let your customers advertise more
specifics to you, use maximum-prefix filters...
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be converted into a useful
TLA.)
How about this:
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non-existent, well-formed domain name.
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were building a new ATM network today, I
would do a bake-off between the vendors and see which
one met my needs best.
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4) existing management infrastructure permits the
management of existing boxes - it's easier to deploy
an all-new network than it is to upgrade from one
technology/platform to another.
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I intend to give them a serious look: they sound like
they could make good CPE for about 75% of my
customers...
(and of course, ssh v2 is a big plus :)
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How many of you
to
aggregation etc.
Also, I believe that there used to be providers who
would dampen routes on a per-AS basis, rather than on
a per-route basis. I am not sure whether anyone still
does this.
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to prevent outsiders from sniffing, why
not just use a cheap workgroup switch/hub? Having to
buy multiple WAPs and insulate them quickly destroys
the wireless value-add...
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by the various hardware vendors? Just look at
vendor C as an example (I can think of four types
immediately) - not only are the types of console port
not standardized, but process for determining the
location of the port clearly involved the reading of
entrails...
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are
looking for things which are out of order (i.e. you
brought the car for an oil change, but your air filter
is shot). This could be an opportunity to say you
have 4 ad-bots on your computer, which reduce
performance. do you want them removed?
-David Barak
=
David Barak
-fully RFC 1925 compliant
this as an undocumented feature...
;)
-David Barak
--- Haesu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
After you applied default-originate to peer-group,
have you done soft-clear of your bgp session?
It usually takes a little while for changes in
config to propagate, unless you force an update
using soft
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