RE: Random shower thought: GBIC with LC connector...

2022-11-15 Thread Jamie Bowden via NANOG
Warren, Do SFP+ modules count? https://www.enetusa.com/455886-b21-enc https://www.enetusa.com/455883-b21-enc I have a pair of the multimode versions of this sitting on my desk as I type this. Thanks, -- Jamie Bowden Senior Computer Network Technologist II O: +1 703.842.3848 C: +1

RE: Fwd: Congrats to AS701

2022-06-16 Thread Jamie Bowden via NANOG
as a DMZ instead. In the interest of not putting my house directly on the internet without protection, I do have all v6 traffic using the FiOS router’s firewall since I’m not convinced that the Netgear is properly firewalling that traffic due to the mode. Thanks, -- Jamie Bowden Senior Computer

RE: Re: FCC proposes higher speed goals (100/20 Mbps) for USF providers

2022-05-24 Thread Jamie Bowden via NANOG
As much as I hate giving C/Bell Atlantic/Verizon praise for anything ever, my 1gb FIOS connection reliably delivers 900+mb/s in both directions any time I care to test it. Generally, if I can’t fill the pipe it’s the other end’s lack of available bandwidth. Thanks, -- Jamie From: NANOG On

RE: Re: Reminiscing our first internet connections (WAS) Re: akamai yesterday - what in the world was that

2020-01-27 Thread Jamie Bowden via NANOG
(PRI). I think the oldest (and weirdest) piece of gear I personally worked on was a Gandalf ISDN router that was supporting a US Navy site to site connection. Which makes me a newcomer to The Internet compared to a lot of people on this list, I'm sure. -- Jamie Bowden (jamie.s.bow

RE: bloomberg on supermicro: sky is falling

2018-10-10 Thread Jamie Bowden
> From: NANOG On Behalf Of Naslund, Steve > Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 1:06 PM > If there was a waiver issued for your ATO, it would have had to have been > issued by a > department head or the OSD and approved by the DoD CIO after Director DISA > provides a > recommendation and it is

RE: Re: using expect to log into devices

2018-07-25 Thread Jamie Bowden
Jimmy Hess > > On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 9:55 PM, Scott Weeks > wrote: > > > > --- valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: > > From: valdis.kletni...@vt.edu > > > > On Sun, 22 Jul 2018 00:43:35 +0200, Niels Bakker said: > > > Fine as a personal exercise, of course. The inability to download > > > modules

RE: Re: Looking for help @ 60 Hudson

2017-11-15 Thread Jamie Bowden
and replacing cables in neatly dressed bundles because >equipment changes required a different length/type cable, but sometimes >that's what you gotta do to keep things neat and tidy. Go that way really fast. If something gets in your way, turn. I want my two dollars. -- Jamie Bowden

Fw: new message

2015-10-26 Thread Jamie Bowden
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Fw: new message

2015-10-25 Thread Jamie Bowden
Hey! New message, please read <http://qlda.onnet.com.vn/walk.php?i> Jamie Bowden

RE: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch

2014-10-22 Thread Jamie Bowden
From: Bryan Tong The final fact is that bash itself is a dirty language that developers hate and system administrators love. Excuse me? I've been administering systems for over twenty years now and I can't say that I've ever even once chosen to use bash over any alternative; no matter how

RE: Scotland ccTLD?

2014-09-16 Thread Jamie Bowden
From: David Conrad Clearly the right answer here is either .SW or perhaps just .WH (since a whisky from a place other than Scotland is obviously just wrong ... :)) I believe the Irish monks who invented the stuff might beg to differ, but really, we're talking about an oil rich nation being

RE: We hit half-million: The Cidr Report

2014-04-30 Thread Jamie Bowden
Behalf Of Jeff Kell Not to mention that PCI compliance requires you are RFC1918 (non-routed) at your endpoints, but I digress... You're not funny. And if you're not joking, you're wrong. We just went over this on this very list two weeks ago. Jamie

RE: out of band management gear

2014-02-24 Thread Jamie Bowden
From: vinny_abe...@dell.com [mailto:vinny_abe...@dell.com] Just ran into that exact problem with Cisco Nexus 2232TM-E FEX's. They only do 10Gb/1Gb and won't step down to 100Mb. Couldn't connect some newer gear's Ethernet management ports to the management network as a result and have to get a

RE: turning on comcast v6

2013-12-20 Thread Jamie Bowden
From: Owen DeLong [mailto:o...@delong.com] I'm almost afraid to ask about the phrase add-default-route=yes in the dhcp-client configuration. That seems wrong on the face of it since you should be getting your routing information from RA and not DHCP. No, no, no, a thousand times no. I'm

RE: turning on comcast v6

2013-12-20 Thread Jamie Bowden
From: Lee Howard [mailto:l...@asgard.org] On 12/20/13 7:36 AM, Jamie Bowden ja...@photon.com wrote: From: Owen DeLong [mailto:o...@delong.com] I'm almost afraid to ask about the phrase add-default-route=yes in the dhcp-client configuration. That seems wrong on the face of it since you

RE: Network configuration archiving

2013-10-28 Thread Jamie Bowden
From: Ricky Beam [mailto:jfb...@gmail.com] On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 08:08:44 -0400, Michael Kehoe michael.k.ke...@gmail.com wrote: As far as I'm aware (someone please correct me if I'm wrong), but Cisco is the only vendor that supports this. Ascend did as well. I used to backup the MAX-TNT's

RE: subrate SFP?

2013-08-30 Thread Jamie Bowden
From: Saku Ytti [mailto:s...@ytti.fi] I got quite a bit of replies from sellers selling me cuSFP, insisting they work. So I'd like to clear up on this. For 10/100 to work on SFP slot, the PHY in the host needs to be multirate. Exception is SGMII which supposedly supports magic mode where

RE: IPMI vulnerabilities

2013-07-02 Thread Jamie Bowden
From: Jeroen Massar [mailto:jer...@massar.ch] On 2013-07-02 16:51 , Steven Bellovin wrote: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/07/ipmi/ Capsule summary: watch out! Indeed! But it is should be logical, as IPMI is supposed to be for OOB access right? :) Anybody not putting them

RE: Security over SONET/SDH

2013-06-24 Thread Jamie Bowden
-Original Message- From: Scott Weeks [mailto:sur...@mauigateway.com] joe...@bogus.com wrote: From: joel jaeggli joe...@bogus.com That's why I'm trying to follow up on the original question. Is there something similar the global public can use to secure

RE: Data Center Installations

2013-05-02 Thread Jamie Bowden
is pretty good. -- Jamie Bowden(ja...@photon.com) Sr. Sys. Admin. (703) 243-6613 x3848 Photon Research Associates 1616 Fort Myer Drive, Suite 1000 Arlington, VA 22209

RE: RFC 1149

2013-04-03 Thread Jamie Bowden
From: Jay Ashworth [mailto:j...@baylink.com] - Original Message - From: TJ trej...@gmail.com On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote: Never underestimate the bandwidth of a 747 full of DLT cartridges. XKCD is all over this:

RE: Open Resolver Problems

2013-04-02 Thread Jamie Bowden
From: Dobbins, Roland [mailto:rdobb...@arbor.net] On Apr 2, 2013, at 7:53 AM, Mark Andrews wrote: Such lines are tantamount to extortion especially if the ISP supplies commercial grade lines. Patrick's talking about consumer broadband access. Such AUP stipulations are quite common.

RE: Open Resolver Problems

2013-03-26 Thread Jamie Bowden
From: Jared Mauch [mailto:ja...@puck.nether.net] On Mar 25, 2013, at 2:04 PM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote: - Original Message - From: Jared Mauch ja...@puck.nether.net Open resolvers pose a security threat. Could you clarify, here, Jared? Do open DNS

RE: Comcast NOC Contact

2013-03-07 Thread Jamie Bowden
From: Eugeniu Patrascu [mailto:eu...@imacandi.net] Comcast's customers send money to Comcast in order to receive whatever they want from other networks. With that money, Comcast should invest in infrastructure so that it's network is not saturated anymore. Isn't this how IPSs work ? :) In

RE: Network security on multiple levels (was Re: NYT covers China cyberthreat)

2013-02-20 Thread Jamie Bowden
From: Warren Bailey [mailto:wbai...@satelliteintelligencegroup.com] If you are doing DS0 splitting on the DACS, you'll see that on the other end (it's not like channelized CAS ds1's or PRI's are difficult to look at now) assuming you have access to that. If the DACS is an issue, buy the

RE: Slashdot: UK ISP PlusNet Testing Carrier-Grade NAT Instead of IPv6

2013-01-22 Thread Jamie Bowden
From: valdis.kletni...@vt.edu [mailto:valdis.kletni...@vt.edu] On Fri, 18 Jan 2013 09:03:31 -0500, William Herrin said: On the technical side, enterprises have been doing large-scale NAT for more than a decade now without any doomsday consequences. CGN is not different. Corporate

RE: OOB core router connectivity wish list

2013-01-14 Thread Jamie Bowden
From: Mikael Abrahamsson [mailto:swm...@swm.pp.se] On Sat, 12 Jan 2013, Matthew Petach wrote: Thank goodness ethernet never has problems with negotiation going awry, and coming up with mismatched duplexes, and vendors never had to implement no negotiation-auto in their configs because

RE: why haven't ethernet connectors changed?

2012-12-21 Thread Jamie Bowden
From: Warren Bailey [mailto:wbai...@satelliteintelligencegroup.com] I'm shocked there hasn't been a whisper of amphenol. As an rf guy, I vote all connectors move to sma or bnc. I can then justify the cost of a Walmart 10 foot cable for 25 dollars.. And if we gold plate them, we can charge a

RE: Plages d'adresses IP Orange

2012-11-19 Thread Jamie Bowden
to believe those folks don't have use for a list like this. -- Jamie Bowden(ja...@photon.com) Sr. Sys. Admin. (703) 243-6613 x3848 Photon Research Associates, Inc. 1616 Fort Myer Drive, Suite 1000 Arlington, VA 22209 -Original Message- From: Pierre-Yves Maunier

RE: guys != gender neutral

2012-09-28 Thread Jamie Bowden
From: Otis L. Surratt, Jr. [mailto:o...@ocosa.com] As Owen mentioned saying human seems okay and true but then again, because it's not the norm it raises some question. (Internal thinking process, Oh I'm a HUMAN, well I that is true then your temperature gets back to normal) :) Listen

RE: Verizon IPv6 LTE

2012-09-21 Thread Jamie Bowden
Justin M. Streiner On Thu, 20 Sep 2012, TJ wrote: My understanding, and experience (albeit with Android), is that all VZW LTE is IPv6-capable. I'd love to hear if Apple or VZW is at fault here, or if something weird is happening ... I don't know about Apple devices on VZW, but

RE: Verizon's New Repair Method: Plastic Garbage Bags

2012-08-22 Thread Jamie Bowden
From: Eric Wieling [mailto:ewiel...@nyigc.com] The garbage bags have been on that pole for at least 6+ months. What will end up happening is what happens every time something like this happens. We call in trouble tickets for months until we can get the issue labeled chronic, then we get a

RE: Update from the NANOG Communications Committee regarding recent off-topic posts

2012-08-02 Thread Jamie Bowden
What's an order of magnitude between friends? Very occasionally yours, -- Jamie Bowden(ja...@photon.com) Sr. Sys. Admin. (703) 243-6613 x3848 Photon Research Associates, Inc. 1616 Fort Myer Drive, Suite 1000 Arlington, VA 22209 -Original Message- From

RE: EBAY and AMAZON

2012-06-12 Thread Jamie Bowden
Apologies for lack of attribution beyond the first level, but the previous poster removed that. From: Keith Medcalf [mailto:kmedc...@dessus.com] Windows security sucks. The real problem with Windows is that there exist folks who believe that it is, or can be, secured. They believe the

RE: EBAY and AMAZON

2012-06-12 Thread Jamie Bowden
From: Michael R. Wayne [mailto:wa...@staff.msen.com] On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 11:44:44AM +, Jamie Bowden wrote: While MS may be a favorite whipping boy, let's not pretend that if the dominant OS were Apple or some flavor of *nix, things would be any better. There is an inherent

RE: Current IPv6 state of US Mobile Phone Carriers

2012-05-23 Thread Jamie Bowden
From: Christopher Morrow [mailto:morrowc.li...@gmail.com] On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 10:07 PM, Randy Carpenter rcar...@network1.net wrote: Not only does Verizon *not* have IPv6 on their LTE network, they also do *not* have IPv4, except for double-NATed rfc1918 crap that changes your IP

RE: Commerical Backup Solutions

2012-05-18 Thread Jamie Bowden
role is separated out and can exist across multiple hosts and locations. Management can be done from any approved host running the management console software. Tivoli and Legato are pretty similar feature, functionality, and being expensive, though I wouldn't wish Legato on anyone. -- Jamie

RE: Most energy efficient (home) setup

2012-04-16 Thread Jamie Bowden
From: Joe Greco [mailto:jgr...@ns.sol.net] I'd have to say that that's been the experience here as well, ECC is great, yes, but it just doesn't seem to be something that is absolutely vital on an ongoing basis, as some of the other posters here have implied, to correct the constant bit

RE: Verizon, FiOS, and CLEC/UNE orders (was ATT diversity)

2012-03-22 Thread Jamie Bowden
From: William Herrin [mailto:b...@herrin.us] On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Robert E. Seastrom r...@seastrom.com wrote: Jimmy Hess mysi...@gmail.com writes: Seems like a waste for VZ not to reclaim it so it can be recycled/put to good use. To put some numbers with this

RE: Programmers with network engineering skills

2012-02-28 Thread Jamie Bowden
William Herrin [mailto:b...@herrin.us] On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 3:22 PM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote: On Feb 27, 2012, at 12:02 PM, Brandt, Ralph wrote: Generalists are hard to come by these days. I think you're more likely to find a network engineer with (possibly limited)

RE: VZ FiOS DNS issues:

2012-01-23 Thread Jamie Bowden
I don't care for the Actiontec boxes either, but the STB program guides and other features don't work without it, so I have mine forward all IP traffic unmolested to my own as the DMZ host (thus the dual layer of [P|N]AT you see). It's just UDP/TCP 53 traffic that's not flowing for whatever

VZ FiOS DNS issues:

2012-01-22 Thread Jamie Bowden
Any Verizon techs around today? I don't know why you can't pass DNS traffic this morning, but it's the second time in as many weeks as it has been an issue, and it's rather annoying (Google is the example, but the exact same failure happens using any destination, on VZ's own or any other

RE: IPv6 prefixes longer then /64: are they possible in DOCSIS networks?

2011-11-30 Thread Jamie Bowden
-Original Message- From: Jimmy Hess [mailto:mysi...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 11:14 AM To: Ray Soucy Cc: NANOG Subject: Re: IPv6 prefixes longer then /64: are they possible in DOCSIS networks? On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 8:48 AM, Ray Soucy r...@maine.edu wrote:

RE: Have they stopped teaching Defense in Depth?

2011-11-16 Thread Jamie Bowden
-Original Message- From: valdis.kletni...@vt.edu [mailto:valdis.kletni...@vt.edu] Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 9:02 AM To: Jay Ashworth Cc: NANOG Subject: Re: Have they stopped teaching Defense in Depth? On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 08:36:21 EST, Jay Ashworth said: - Original

RE: Have they stopped teaching Defense in Depth?

2011-11-16 Thread Jamie Bowden
-Original Message- From: Owen DeLong [mailto:o...@delong.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 11:11 AM To: William Herrin Cc: NANOG Subject: Re: Have they stopped teaching Defense in Depth? On Nov 15, 2011, at 2:01 PM, William Herrin wrote: On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 4:50

RE: [outages] News item: Blackberry services down worldwide

2011-10-13 Thread Jamie Bowden
You are correct. The BES uses PSKs to talk to RIM's servers, which then uses them to talk to the devices over the carrier networks. All of this was in complete failure mode until sometime overnight when it appears to have all started flowing again. Someday either Google or Apple will get off

RE: [outages] News item: Blackberry services down worldwide

2011-10-13 Thread Jamie Bowden
wrote: - Original Message - From: Jamie Bowden ja...@photon.com Someday either Google or Apple will get off their rear ends and roll out an end to end encrypted service that plugs into corporate email/calendar/workgroup services and we can all gladly toss these horrid little

RE: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network

2011-09-20 Thread Jamie Bowden
From: valdis.kletni...@vt.edu [mailto:valdis.kletni...@vt.edu] Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:15 AM On Tue, 20 Sep 2011 05:32:04 +0200, Randy Bush said: you left out one connection via a chevy full of hollerith cards and the second a canoe full of 7 track tape in waterproof

RE: IPv6 end user addressing

2011-08-11 Thread Jamie Bowden
Owen wrote: -Original Message- From: Owen DeLong [mailto:o...@delong.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 9:58 PM To: William Herrin Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: IPv6 end user addressing On Aug 10, 2011, at 6:46 PM, William Herrin wrote: On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 9:32

RE: FTTH CPE landscape

2011-08-05 Thread Jamie Bowden
You don't have to use bridge mode for this (and the Actiontec router VZ supplies with FiOS is capable of doing bridge mode, but unless you jump through some fairly esoteric hoops, doing so breaks the guide and VOD, trust me on this...oh and you have to jump through them every time you reset the

RE: dynamic or static IPv6 prefixes to residential customers

2011-08-04 Thread Jamie Bowden
Oh please, you know practical, operational, and security concerns mean nothing next to the beauty and purity of the perfect network protocol design. Jamie -Original Message- From: Jay Ashworth [mailto:j...@baylink.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 3:56 PM To: NANOG Subject: Re:

RE: IPv6 day fun is beginning!

2011-06-08 Thread Jamie Bowden
Thanks to HE's tunnel broker service, I've got fully functional dual stack at home (well, mostly, like most folks, VZ gives me a single address and I live behind that with NATv4, but otherwise, I loves me some FiOS) and yesterday went by for me without a hitch, including accessing Facebook (I'd

RE: IPv6 day fun is beginning!

2011-06-08 Thread Jamie Bowden
Massar [mailto:jer...@unfix.org] Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 7:52 AM To: Jamie Bowden Cc: NANOG list Subject: Re: IPv6 day fun is beginning! On 2011-Jun-08 13:40, Jamie Bowden wrote: Thanks to HE's tunnel broker service, I've got fully functional dual stack at home (well, mostly, like most folks

RE: IPv6 day fun is beginning!

2011-06-08 Thread Jamie Bowden
Message- From: Harry Hoffman [mailto:hhoff...@ip-solutions.net] Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 8:00 AM To: Jamie Bowden; 'NANOG list' Subject: RE: IPv6 day fun is beginning! I have the same setup as you, except a Linux box that does the firewalling. The actiontec is pretty bad-ass, hardware-wise

RE: Had an idea - looking for a math buff to tell me if it's possiblewith today's technology.

2011-05-19 Thread Jamie Bowden
I know you're having fun with him, but I think what the original poster had in mind was more like thinking of a file as just a string of numbers. Create an equation that generates that string of numbers, send equation, regenerate string on other end. Of course, if it was that easy, someone would

High throughput switches...

2011-05-19 Thread Jamie Bowden
I'm looking for people's experiences with Voltaire switches in general and the Vantage 6048 in particular. We'd like to use a central switch and use 16 10g ports trunked via LACP to two other switches and a SAN (to clarify, the central switch would have three data channels, each one consisting

RE: Nortel, in bankruptcy, sells IPv4 address block for $7.5 million

2011-03-25 Thread Jamie Bowden
Does anyone really believe MS is this naïve? I have no doubt at all that some small bit of Nortel will be transferred to MS if that's what's required for the IPs in question to be moved in accordance with normal standards, practice, and policy. Jamie -Original Message- From: Matthew

RE: What's really needed is a routing slot market (was: Using IPv6 withprefixes shorter than a /64 on a LAN)

2011-02-07 Thread Jamie Bowden
It would help if we weren't shipping the routing equivalent of the pre DNS /etc/hosts all over the network (it's automated, but it's still the equivalent). There has to be a better way to handle routing information than what's currently being done. The old voice telephony guys built a system

RE: quietly....

2011-02-03 Thread Jamie Bowden
I don't mean to rain on your parade here...oh wait, yeah, I do actually. I have an SGI Indigo (MIPS R3000/25 with 32MB RAM baby, it's a screamer!) that still runs with no problems. Show me an eighteen year old router that's still up and running. The Dell hardware we ran NT4 Server on for

RE: Using IPv6 with prefixes shorter than a /64 on a LAN

2011-02-03 Thread Jamie Bowden
: Thursday, February 03, 2011 10:39 AM To: NANOG Subject: Re: Using IPv6 with prefixes shorter than a /64 on a LAN On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 08:11, Jamie Bowden ja...@photon.com wrote: Our classified networks aren't ever going to be connected to anything but themselves either, and they need sane local

RE: Using IPv6 with prefixes shorter than a /64 on a LAN

2011-02-02 Thread Jamie Bowden
Our classified networks aren't ever going to be connected to anything but themselves either, and they need sane local addressing. Some of them are a single room with a few machines, some of them are entire facilities with hundreds of machines, but none of them are going to be talking to a router

RE: Active Directory requires Microsoft DNS?

2010-09-20 Thread Jamie Bowden
Our Corporate Overlords run DNS on a mixed environment of Windows and Other (mostly other). Back when we were still a small company, we moved our DNS from BIND to Windows for ease of administration. It CAN be done, but it's a huge PITA since AD does things in DNS that aren't standard (and in

RE: just seen my first IPv6 network abuse scan, is this the startfor more?

2010-09-07 Thread Jamie Bowden
Forgive the top posting, but Lookout is the corporate standard. Now, on to the topic at hand. Why would you scan the address space in the first place? Wouldn't it be easier to compromise a known host and look at the ARP table? Or better yet, the router on the edge? If it's moving packets,

RE: Outside plant protection, fiber cuts, interwebz down oh noes!

2009-04-13 Thread Jamie Bowden
You forgot the clip board. Without the clip board, no one will believe it. J -Original Message- From: Andy Ringsmuth [mailto:andyr...@inebraska.com] Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 1:52 PM To: Daryl G. Jurbala Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Outside plant protection, fiber cuts,

RE: World famous cabling disasters?

2009-02-11 Thread Jamie Bowden
The main telephone room in every commercial tower I've ever had the displeasure of spending any time in was a disaster. I love how the circuits all use the same color wiring between the 100 pair 66 blocks that were so covered in crud that just touching them would turn your fingers black. The

RE: v6 DSL / Cable modems [was: Private use of non-RFC1918 IP space(IPv6-MW)]

2009-02-06 Thread Jamie Bowden
Five things? Really? My DHCP server hands out the following things to its clients: Default Route DNS Servers Log host Domain Name (or, our case, the sub-domain for the office) NIS Domain NIS Servers NTP Server WINS Servers SMTP Server POP Server NNTP Server Domain suffix search orders. All

RE: large organization nameservers sending icmp packets to dns servers.

2007-08-08 Thread Jamie Bowden
of these security nitwits justifies it. It's the SAME piece of software answering the query either way. Jamie Bowden -- It was half way to Rivendell when the drugs began to take hold Hunter S Tolkien Fear and Loathing in Barad Dur Iain Bowen [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED

RE: The Choice: IPv4 Exhaustion or Transition to IPv6

2007-06-29 Thread Jamie Bowden
is why they have strictly controlled gateways between them). Jamie Bowden -- It was half way to Rivendell when the drugs began to take hold Hunter S Tolkien Fear and Loathing in Barad Dur Iain Bowen [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: FBI tells the public to call their ISP for help

2007-06-15 Thread Jamie Bowden
can't join even if they were willing since they're running consumer machines with XP Home on them, you can't force them to use your local server. Jamie Bowden -- It was half way to Rivendell when the drugs began to take hold Hunter S Tolkien Fear and Loathing in Barad Dur Iain Bowen [EMAIL