Twinax trivia check (was Re: Is there such a thing as a 10GBase-T SFP+ transciever)

2014-02-02 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 2/1/2014 10:40 PM, Jima wrote: +1. Cisco calls them Twinax, HP calls them DACs. I don't know what anyone else calls them as it hasn't come up in conversation for me. I thought Twinax was an IBMish MILSPEC term. -- Requiescas in pace o email Two identifying characteristics

Re: Twinax trivia check (was Re: Is there such a thing as a 10GBase-T SFP+ transciever)

2014-02-02 Thread joel jaeggli
On 2/2/14, 7:30 AM, Larry Sheldon wrote: On 2/1/2014 10:40 PM, Jima wrote: +1. Cisco calls them Twinax, HP calls them DACs. I don't know what anyone else calls them as it hasn't come up in conversation for me. I thought Twinax was an IBMish MILSPEC term. twinax could refer to a specific

Re: Twinax trivia check (was Re: Is there such a thing as a 10GBase-T SFP+ transciever)

2014-02-02 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: joel jaeggli joe...@bogus.com I thought Twinax was an IBMish MILSPEC term. twinax could refer to a specific technology or to the presence of dual inner conductors e.g. in contrast to coax or triax. Rather specifically, Twinax refers to cable with 2

Re: Twinax trivia check (was Re: Is there such a thing as a 10GBase-T SFP+ transciever)

2014-02-02 Thread Bryan Tong
These cables are most commonly known as Direct Attach Copper SFP+ On Sunday, February 2, 2014, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote: - Original Message - From: joel jaeggli joe...@bogus.com javascript:; I thought Twinax was an IBMish MILSPEC term. twinax could refer to a

Re: Twinax trivia check (was Re: Is there such a thing as a 10GBase-T SFP+ transciever)

2014-02-02 Thread Jeff Kell
On 2/2/2014 4:03 PM, Bryan Tong wrote: These cables are most commonly known as Direct Attach Copper SFP+ The big issue appears to be that these are not always consistently functional crossing vendor lines (sometimes product lines within the same vendor). There does not appear to be any

RE: Twinax trivia check (was Re: Is there such a thing as a 10GBase-T SFP+ transciever)

2014-02-02 Thread Murphy-Olson, Daniel E.
. Netapp's lower end gear doesn't support active twinax. From: Jeff Kell [jeff-k...@utc.edu] Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2014 3:15 PM To: Bryan Tong; Jay Ashworth Cc: NANOG Subject: Re: Twinax trivia check (was Re: Is there such a thing as a 10GBase-T SFP

Re: Twinax trivia check (was Re: Is there such a thing as a 10GBase-T SFP+ transciever)

2014-02-02 Thread Brian Loveland
Ashworth Cc: NANOG Subject: Re: Twinax trivia check (was Re: Is there such a thing as a 10GBase-T SFP+ transciever) On 2/2/2014 4:03 PM, Bryan Tong wrote: These cables are most commonly known as Direct Attach Copper SFP+ The big issue appears to be that these are not always consistently

Re: Is there such a thing as a 10GBase-T SFP+ transciever

2014-02-01 Thread Phil Bedard
That was the reason for the push to the 10x10 MSA by people like Google and other providers who did not want to use MM bundles and didn't want to deal with the expense and power consumption of 100GBase-LR4. LR10 although hasn't really seen much adoption by the vendors, only compatible optics from

Re: Is there such a thing as a 10GBase-T SFP+ transciever

2014-02-01 Thread Jared Mauch
On Feb 1, 2014, at 4:05 PM, Phil Bedard bedard.p...@gmail.com wrote: As for 10GBase-T in a transceiver, I haven't seen that on anyone's roadmap. It will probably come eventually but not for awhile. It must exist, as there is this:

Re: Is there such a thing as a 10GBase-T SFP+ transciever

2014-02-01 Thread Phil Bedard
Pluggable SFP+ transceiver. There are plenty of fixed config 10GBase-T devices out there. Power/space in a SFP+ package just isn't there yet. Phil On 2/1/14, 4:18 PM, Jared Mauch ja...@puck.nether.net wrote: On Feb 1, 2014, at 4:05 PM, Phil Bedard bedard.p...@gmail.com wrote: As for

Re: Is there such a thing as a 10GBase-T SFP+ transciever

2014-02-01 Thread joel jaeggli
On 2/1/14, 1:18 PM, Jared Mauch wrote: On Feb 1, 2014, at 4:05 PM, Phil Bedard bedard.p...@gmail.com wrote: As for 10GBase-T in a transceiver, I haven't seen that on anyone's roadmap. It will probably come eventually but not for awhile. It must exist, as there is this: Nah that's a

Re: Is there such a thing as a 10GBase-T SFP+ transciever

2014-02-01 Thread Thomas Maufer
IIRC, it takes about 13W to maintain a 10GBASET connection. That's a lot of power to drain from a tiny board that wasn't designed to supply such loads. ~tom On Saturday, February 1, 2014 1:32:58 PM, Phil Bedard bedard.p...@gmail.com wrote: Pluggable SFP+ transceiver. There are plenty of fixed

Re: Is there such a thing as a 10GBase-T SFP+ transciever

2014-02-01 Thread Jima
+1. Cisco calls them Twinax, HP calls them DACs. I don't know what anyone else calls them as it hasn't come up in conversation for me. Cisco appears to offer them in 1, 1.5, 2, 2.5, 3, and 5 meter passive, as well as 7 and 10 meter active. HP has them in 1, 3, 7, 10, and 15 meter; no

Re: Is there such a thing as a 10GBase-T SFP+ transciever

2014-02-01 Thread Bryan Seitz
On Sun, Feb 02, 2014 at 04:21:20AM +, Thomas Maufer wrote: IIRC, it takes about 13W to maintain a 10GBASET connection. That's a lot of power to drain from a tiny board that wasn't designed to supply such loads. ~tom On Saturday, February 1, 2014 1:32:58 PM, Phil Bedard

Re: Is there such a thing as a 10GBase-T SFP+ transciever

2014-01-31 Thread Eric Clark
What I want to see is reasonably priced 40G single mode transceivers. I have no idea why 40G and now 100G wasn't rolled out with single mode as the preference. The argument that there's a large multimode install base doesn't hold water. For one thing, you're using enormous amounts of MM fiber

Is there such a thing as a 10GBase-T SFP+ transciever

2014-01-30 Thread james jones
I would like to know if anyone has seen one of these? If so where? Also if they don't exist why? It would seem to me that it would make it a lot easier to play mix and match with fiber in the DC if they did. Would be so hard to make the 1G SFPs faster (trying to be funny here not arrogant).

Re: Is there such a thing as a 10GBase-T SFP+ transciever

2014-01-30 Thread joel jaeggli
On 1/30/14, 5:26 PM, james jones wrote: I would like to know if anyone has seen one of these? If so where? Also if they don't exist why? It would seem to me that it would make it a lot easier to play mix and match with fiber in the DC if they did. Would be so hard to make the 1G SFPs faster

Re: Is there such a thing as a 10GBase-T SFP+ transciever

2014-01-30 Thread Chris Balmain
You may wish to consider twinax for short distance 10G over copper with SFP+ at both ends http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twinaxial_cabling#SFP.2B_Direct-Attach_Copper_.2810GSFP.2BCu.29 Typically marketed as direct-attach (you can't remove the cables from the transceivers, it's all integrated)