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On 12/29/20 21:44, James R Cutler wrote: Supplying any configurable residential CPE would not necessarily be cheaper. The tracking and accounting for the hardware and qualifying said hardware, not to mention truck rolls for hardware updates, could well be more costly than fielding support

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On 12/29/20 19:00, Mike Hammett wrote: People love throwing their own router behind whatever Internet connection they have. It almost never fails to cause a problem. I'd only do it if I could guarantee the ISP's CPE will run in Bridge mode, or if I can get access to their router to fiddle

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On 12/29/20 18:50, Aaron Wendel wrote: The majority of our customers are still on Brocade MLXs.  We're in the process of upgrading all our equipment to Arista switches to accommodate the increased demand for 40G and 100G ports as well as implement 400G ports. Unfortunately, switch

Re: 10g residential CPE

On 12/29/20 18:42, Aaron Wendel wrote: Oh, we still get calls about speed issues. It's always wonderful when someone puts their own 10 year old Linksys WRT54G and double NATs behind our CPE then sends in a speed test wondering why they're only getting 10Mbits on their Gbit line.  We get

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On 12/29/20 15:42, Darin Steffl wrote: Oh they'll get plenty of support calls still, almost all about wifi issues. They'll be connected to 2.4ghz on an old device, run a speedtest and only get 30 mbps and complain they're not getting 950 mbps on their free connection. WiFi issues will

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> On Dec 25, 2020, at 09:45 , Bryan Fields wrote: > > On 12/25/20 4:52 AM, Mark Tinka wrote: >> For the home, if you're looking at shipping 10Gbps-based CPE's for under >> US$200, I can't think of anything other than the Tik: >> >> https://mikrotik.com/product/rb4011igs_rm > > That has

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On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 4:26 PM Niels Bakker wrote: > * mpet...@netflight.com (Matthew Petach) [Tue 29 Dec 2020, 01:08 CET]: > >But as far as the physics goes, the conversion of biomatter into > >petrochemicals in the ground is more "renewable" than the conversion > >of hydrogen into helium in

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On Dec 29, 2020, at 11:53 AM, Michael Thomas wrote: > > On 12/29/20 8:42 AM, Aaron Wendel wrote: >> Oh, we still get calls about speed issues. It's always wonderful when >> someone puts their own 10 year old Linksys WRT54G and double NATs behind our >> CPE then sends in a speed test wondering

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On 12/29/20 10:36 AM, Aaron Wendel wrote: It does have wireless.  That doesn't prevent people from trying to use their old equipment in addition. ("My dad's uncle's cousin's former roommate works in IT and told me I just needed to plug my old router into your new router.") Yes, but does

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It does have wireless.  That doesn't prevent people from trying to use their old equipment in addition. ("My dad's uncle's cousin's former roommate works in IT and told me I just needed to plug my old router into your new router.") On 12/29/2020 10:53 AM, Michael Thomas wrote: On 12/29/20

Re: 10g residential CPE

From: Ben Cannon To: Darin Steffl [...] Again, it seems nice to be able to do this but most companies don't have idle resources sitting around to give away things for free. We have zero extra time to work for free. We’re a tiny company and I already have a department dedicated to

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On 12/29/20 9:00 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: People love throwing their own router behind whatever Internet connection they have. It almost never fails to cause a problem. Well *some* of us know what we're doing. And in my case, it's both because it doesn't deal with buffer bloat, but more

Re: 10g residential CPE

homas" To: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 10:53:39 AM Subject: Re: 10g residential CPE On 12/29/20 8:42 AM, Aaron Wendel wrote: > Oh, we still get calls about speed issues. It's always wonderful when > someone puts their own 10 year old Linksys WRT54G and double NATs

Re: 10g residential CPE

On 12/29/20 8:42 AM, Aaron Wendel wrote: Oh, we still get calls about speed issues. It's always wonderful when someone puts their own 10 year old Linksys WRT54G and double NATs behind our CPE then sends in a speed test wondering why they're only getting 10Mbits on their Gbit line.  We get

Re: 10g residential CPE

The majority of our customers are still on Brocade MLXs.  We're in the process of upgrading all our equipment to Arista switches to accommodate the increased demand for 40G and 100G ports as well as implement 400G ports. Aaron On 12/29/2020 3:33 AM, Jonathon Exley wrote: Hi Aaron, Just out

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Oh, we still get calls about speed issues. It's always wonderful when someone puts their own 10 year old Linksys WRT54G and double NATs behind our CPE then sends in a speed test wondering why they're only getting 10Mbits on their Gbit line.  We get those ALL the time. :) On 12/29/2020 1:28

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> Again, it seems nice to be able to do this but most companies don't have idle > resources sitting around to give away things for free. We have zero extra > time to work for free. We’re a tiny company and I already have a department dedicated to giving - really we do have some often highly

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Oh they'll get plenty of support calls still, almost all about wifi issues. They'll be connected to 2.4ghz on an old device, run a speedtest and only get 30 mbps and complain they're not getting 950 mbps on their free connection. WiFi issues will always cause support calls no matter what isp. The

Re: 10g residential CPE

On 12/29/20 04:41, Keith Medcalf wrote: Are you sure that is not related to "residential services" being of a generally lower quality than business services? It has been my experience that shoddy service generates higher need for "support" than does "non-shoddy" service. In this regard,

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On 12/29/20 02:06, Matthew Petach wrote: Mark, I think you may have misunderstood Keith's comment about it being "all a matter of time-frame." He's right--when the sun consumes all the hydrogen in the hydrogen-to-helium fusion process and begins to expand into a red dwarf, that's it;

RE: 10g residential CPE

On Monday, 28 December, 2020 10:48. Darin Steffl wrote: >The "Free" service doesn't cover your cost of support which is much >higher for residential than any business customer. Our residential >customers call at least 15x more often compared to business customers >compared on a 1:1 ratio. Are

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We are doing a similar project in Marin county - regardless of ability to pay. If I can make it pencil, not only why not, but shouldn’t we all? Ms. Lady Benjamin PD Cannon, ASCE 6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC CEO b...@6by7.net "The only fully end-to-end encrypted global telecommunications

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* mpet...@netflight.com (Matthew Petach) [Tue 29 Dec 2020, 01:08 CET]: But as far as the physics goes, the conversion of biomatter into petrochemicals in the ground is more "renewable" than the conversion of hydrogen into helium in the sun. It's not. Where did Mr Metcalf think the energy

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On 12/28/20 4:06 PM, Matthew Petach wrote: I think you may have misunderstood Keith's comment about it being "all a matter of time-frame." He's right--when the sun consumes all the hydrogen in the hydrogen-to-helium fusion process and begins to expand into a red dwarf, that's it; there's no

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On Sun, Dec 27, 2020 at 12:28 PM Mark Tinka wrote: > > > On 12/27/20 21:56, Keith Medcalf wrote: > > > Me too. On top of that, diesel and gasoline are pretty reliable. > Though some people may argue about "renewables" the fact is that it is all > a matter of time-frame. Solar power, for

Re: 10g residential CPE

- Original Message - > From: "Mark Tinka" > The MUA many (if not all) of us are using to read this has been obtained > for free, and with ongoing support, no less. I'd like to see someone > dish out cash for a commercial alternative. Zimbra? K9? ... Mutt? Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R.

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On 12/28/20 22:02, Mel Beckman wrote: Darin, Surely you at least give the paying customers priority over the non-paying? It’s one thing to say “I have to write paychecks no matter what”. It’s another to say “I’ll give away my support to free customers AND degrade support for paying

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On 12/28/20 22:24, Aaron Wendel wrote: We still build when needed. We're in the process of building to 700 new apartments so we can provide them with free service.  We're actually pulling 576 strands into the basement of one building to backhaul each apartment to it's own switch port in

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We prioritize calls based on severity.  If both Google and Grandma call and say they have a cut then we have people to service both at the same time.  If Google, Century Link, Verizon, AT and Grandma all call then Grandma gets to wait a day.  That being the case, it's not dependent on revenue.

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On Mon, 28 Dec 2020 20:02:36 +, Mel Beckman said: > This means your staffing must be large enough to never have any queuing, or > you’re giving away your paying customers' time to non-paying customers. > Neither > approach is scalable in a competitive business environment, because SOMEBODY

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We still build when needed. We're in the process of building to 700 new apartments so we can provide them with free service.  We're actually pulling 576 strands into the basement of one building to backhaul each apartment to it's own switch port in the new hut we just deployed to service that

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Darin, Surely you at least give the paying customers priority over the non-paying? It’s one thing to say “I have to write paychecks no matter what”. It’s another to say “I’ll give away my support to free customers AND degrade support for paying customers as a result.” Your tech support guy

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On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 8:48 PM Seth Mattinen wrote: > On 12/28/20 9:11 AM, Aaron Wendel wrote: > > Actually our free service doesn't have limitations, has an SLA, no > > time/term restrictions, a CPE, support, etc. > > > How do SLA refunds work on free service? Do you just pay them some cash >

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> On Dec 26, 2020, at 10:35 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson via NANOG > wrote: > > Here the "truth" is that if you game, you need to have a wired connection to > your gaming computer. All gamers "know" this. My sons switch is hard wired, he gets considerable advantage (apparently) due to using the

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I applaud your commitment to helping your local community. Just want to point out that this is a charity because it does not scale. Nobody could build out a FTTH network and make it free as a business case. But there are plenty of people that made a network for their neighbors and provided that

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On 12/28/20 9:11 AM, Aaron Wendel wrote: Actually our free service doesn't have limitations, has an SLA, no time/term restrictions, a CPE, support, etc. How do SLA refunds work on free service? Do you just pay them some cash value instead of credits?

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On 12/28/20 20:47, Allen McKinley Kitchen (gmail) wrote: A company doing what you describe is one I’d really love to work for. May that philosophy of business be richly blessed. Couldn't have said it better myself! Needless to say, when you work with passion and authenticity, somehow,

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On 12/28/20 19:48, Darin Steffl wrote: Aaron, The "Free" service doesn't cover your cost of support which is much higher for residential than any business customer. Our residential customers call at least 15x more often compared to business customers compared on a 1:1 ratio. I honestly

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On 12/28/20 19:15, Aaron Wendel wrote: The $300 covers the equipment and the time to send someone out to a house to install it.  If $300 is too much you can pay in 12 installments of $25. The TIK alone costs us about $250. Still love it :-)! Thanks for sharing. Mark.

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On 12/28/20 19:11, Aaron Wendel wrote: Actually our free service doesn't have limitations, has an SLA, no time/term restrictions, a CPE, support, etc.  I explained the "why" in a different post so I won't go over it again.  98% of our residential customers are on the free plan. Guess my

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On 12/28/20 19:01, Aaron Wendel wrote: Darin, We charge a $300 one time install charge to cover our costs on the 1G service (which can be paid out at $25/mo if you can't afford $300 all at once). The area we serve is mainly lower and lower-middle-class income with an 80% transient

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On 12/28/20 16:57, Mel Beckman wrote: It’s not just the lithium load in the environment that is of concern. As early as 2018 the US EPA had collected data on the incidence of so-called “hot fires” caused by lithium batteries in the waste stream. So far, nobody has been killed. But it’s

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Darin, Our business support and residential support is the same department.  I have to pay those people to be in the office either way so it doesn't cost me any "more" to provide support for the residences. Yes, walking Grandma through getting her email can sometimes be a chore but that

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A company doing what you describe is one I’d really love to work for. May that philosophy of business be richly blessed. ..Allen > On Dec 28, 2020, at 12:03, Aaron Wendel wrote: > > Darin, > > We charge a $300 one time install charge to cover our costs on the 1G service > (which can be

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Aaron, The "Free" service doesn't cover your cost of support which is much higher for residential than any business customer. Our residential customers call at least 15x more often compared to business customers compared on a 1:1 ratio. I honestly can't fathom providing free residential service

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The $300 covers the equipment and the time to send someone out to a house to install it.  If $300 is too much you can pay in 12 installments of $25. The TIK alone costs us about $250. Aaron On 12/27/2020 5:04 AM, Mark Tinka wrote: On 12/26/20 20:48, Darin Steffl wrote: Aaron, One

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Actually our free service doesn't have limitations, has an SLA, no time/term restrictions, a CPE, support, etc.  I explained the "why" in a different post so I won't go over it again.  98% of our residential customers are on the free plan. Aaron On 12/27/2020 4:38 AM, Mark Tinka wrote:

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No.  Google still operates their plant in the KC area. Aaron On 12/27/2020 4:06 AM, Mark Tinka wrote: On 12/26/20 20:30, Aaron Wendel wrote: https://www.kcfiber.com/residential Curious, any chance you took over Google's fibre project :-)? Mark.

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One.  For an employee.  Primarily just to say we had done it. :) Aaron On 12/26/2020 4:15 PM, Lady Benjamin PD Cannon wrote: Have you done any 100g Residential connections? —L.B. Lady Benjamin PD Cannon, ASCE 6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC CEO b...@6by7.net "The only

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Darin, We charge a $300 one time install charge to cover our costs on the 1G service (which can be paid out at $25/mo if you can't afford $300 all at once). The area we serve is mainly lower and lower-middle-class income with an 80% transient population.  Seven years ago, when "digital

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It’s not just the lithium load in the environment that is of concern. As early as 2018 the US EPA had collected data on the incidence of so-called “hot fires” caused by lithium batteries in the waste stream. So far, nobody has been killed. But it’s only a matter of time before someone is, given

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On 12/28/20 05:29, Brandon Martin wrote: Interestingly, the Lithium content is the, in theory, valuable part of it. There's not actually much Li in a typical Li-Ion rechargeable battery (much less than a Li metal primary cell), but my understanding is that it's enough to have people

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On 12/27/20 5:26 AM, Mark Tinka wrote: I'm just not sure where all that Li-Ion will go after 15 - 20 years of use, though... One European manufacturer (the one whose battery I bought) says that as of now, they can only recycle 20% of each battery they sell. To me, that sounds like just the 

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On 12/27/20 21:56, Keith Medcalf wrote: Me too. On top of that, diesel and gasoline are pretty reliable. Though some people may argue about "renewables" the fact is that it is all a matter of time-frame. Solar power, for example, is not renewable. Once it is all used up, it will not

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On 12/27/20 21:51, Sabri Berisha wrote: Netflix has a documentary on it, "Fire In Paradise". Gives me the chills every time I watch it. I'll have a sniff. Thanks! Mark.

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On 12/27/20 19:49, Michael Thomas wrote: We can't get enough solar panels on the roof to charge a battery big enough to handle a multi-day outage, and the battery as quoted is only charged from the panels, not from the mains. It's easy enough to get a transfer switch though for the battery

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On: Sunday, 27 December, 2020 03:26, Mark Tinka wrote: >In the end, and for various reasons, I settled on renewables. Me too. On top of that, diesel and gasoline are pretty reliable. Though some people may argue about "renewables" the fact is that it is all a matter of time-frame. Solar

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- On Dec 27, 2020, at 10:06 AM, Michael Thomas m...@mtcc.com wrote: Hi, > Right and here in California, it was precisely those lines that > incinerated Paradise. And for those lurkers outside of CA, or even the U.S., the small town named "Paradise" was completely wiped off the map a few

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On 12/27/20 10:26 AM, Baldur Norddahl wrote: All of the 400V and 10 kV is buried. That means no wires along streets, anywhere. The long haul transmission network consists mostly of 150 kV and 400 kV lines. That has been partly buried, especially near and in cities. There was a project to

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søn. 27. dec. 2020 19.00 skrev Valdis Klētnieks : > On Sun, 27 Dec 2020 17:57:17 +0100, Baldur Norddahl said: > > > Here in the civilised world we bury the wires ;-) > > Even the long-haul 765kv and up connections across the power grid? > > In the US, they're out on towers for a reason - you can

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On 12/27/20 10:00 AM, Valdis Klētnieks wrote: On Sun, 27 Dec 2020 17:57:17 +0100, Baldur Norddahl said: Here in the civilised world we bury the wires ;-) Even the long-haul 765kv and up connections across the power grid? In the US, they're out on towers for a reason - you can fly along

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On Sun, 27 Dec 2020 17:57:17 +0100, Baldur Norddahl said: > Here in the civilised world we bury the wires ;-) Even the long-haul 765kv and up connections across the power grid? In the US, they're out on towers for a reason - you can fly along them in a helicopter and easily spot parts of cable

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On 12/27/20 9:38 AM, Mark Tinka wrote: On 12/27/20 18:14, Michael Thomas wrote: We have both, and are going to get a battery. But the battery would probably only be good for about a day which is not enough, especially with these planned shutoffs because they have to inspect their wire

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On 12/27/20 18:57, Baldur Norddahl wrote: Here in the civilised world we bury the wires ;-) I'm certain every country has a combination of both... one of those more than the other in some places, but a combo nonetheless. Ultimately, it's most unlikely that any utility company is going

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On 12/27/20 18:14, Michael Thomas wrote: We have both, and are going to get a battery. But the battery would probably only be good for about a day which is not enough, especially with these planned shutoffs because they have to inspect their wire plant in daylight. If you can add some

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søn. 27. dec. 2020 17.14 skrev Michael Thomas : > > > We have both, and are going to get a battery. But the battery would > probably only be good for about a day which is not enough, especially > with these planned shutoffs because they have to inspect their wire > plant in daylight. There has to

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On 12/27/20 2:26 AM, Mark Tinka wrote: On 12/26/20 23:57, Michael Thomas wrote: Yeah, it burned somebody's house to a crisp here last year around here. It certainly makes the case why leaving professionals in charge of power issues is the better idea. although with pg it's a tough

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On 12/26/20 20:48, Darin Steffl wrote: Aaron, One simple question. Why on earth would you offer free internet service? How and why? Your site show 1 Gig symmetrical for free when you should be a minimum of $65 per month to be competitive. They also ask for no monthly fee after a single

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On 12/26/20 20:48, Darin Steffl wrote: Aaron, One simple question. Why on earth would you offer free internet service? How and why? Your site show 1 Gig symmetrical for free when you should be a minimum of $65 per month to be competitive. For me, looks like a loss-leader to reel

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On 12/26/20 23:57, Michael Thomas wrote: Yeah, it burned somebody's house to a crisp here last year around here. It certainly makes the case why leaving professionals in charge of power issues is the better idea. although with pg it's a tough call, my telco not so much. I considered a

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On 12/26/20 22:58, Michael Thomas wrote: Here in California the new reality is that multi-day outages are now common. The first few planned outages were 3-4 days, so that would be on the edge, especially if it's for gabby granny on the phone for hours.This all depends on the weather, and

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On 12/26/20 20:30, Aaron Wendel wrote: https://www.kcfiber.com/residential Curious, any chance you took over Google's fibre project :-)? Mark.

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On 12/26/20 20:30, Aaron Wendel wrote: We run MikroTik RB4011s for residential speeds between 1G and 10G or just supply a media converter.  For residential 40G and 100G we just drop in Arista or Extreme switches.  SMBs are normally just a media converter or direct fiber handoff.

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On 12/26/20 20:00, Tony Wicks wrote: Actually the equipment vendor's build in this sort of situation is normally directly related to the availability of affordable chipsets from the likes of Broadcom. For example the chipset in my XGSPON router is a BCM6858. No vendor is going to spend

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On 12/26/20 19:58, Michael Thomas wrote: The thing is that the pandemic has changed the game on the ground: there is an actual feature differentiator to be had. But having dealt with the Linksys folks in the past I don't put out much hope that they'll take advantage of it. The software

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On 12/26/20 17:55, Baldur Norddahl wrote: Since a lot of ISP equipment only has tiny buffers you will generally be unable to get great downloads from sources far away. This is true for any application, in general. 500ms vs. 1ms for download efficiency will always show you what they are

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On 12/26/20 17:35, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: Perhaps there are some issues at other parts of the network that limits their speeds? I'm in Stockholm, Sweden, with plenty of local CDNs located just 1-3ms away from me. The Swedish model (Stokab) is one to envy. If only other gubbermints

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ww.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ---------- > *From: *"Mark Tinka" > *To: *nanog@nanog.org > *Sent: *Friday, December 25, 2020 11:44:00 PM > > *Subject: *Re: [External] Re: 10g residential CPE > > > > On 12/25/20 23:04,

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Tinka" To: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Friday, December 25, 2020 11:44:00 PM Subject: Re: [External] Re: 10g residential CPE On 12/25/20 23:04, Michael Thomas wrote: > > I mean, i understand the arm's race, but now it seems to be an arms > race for its own sake. It is,

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w.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp><https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> *From: *"Michael Thomas" *To: *nanog@nanog.org *Sent: *Friday, December 25, 2020 1:27:39 PM *Subject: *Re: [External] Re: 10g

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homas" To: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Friday, December 25, 2020 1:27:39 PM Subject: Re: [External] Re: 10g residential CPE On 12/25/20 11:04 AM, Mark Tinka wrote: On 12/25/20 20:10, Hunter Fuller via NANOG wrote: It would meet some customers’ needs because multiple people co

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homas" To: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Friday, December 25, 2020 1:27:39 PM Subject: Re: [External] Re: 10g residential CPE On 12/25/20 11:04 AM, Mark Tinka wrote: On 12/25/20 20:10, Hunter Fuller via NANOG wrote: It would meet some customers’ needs because multiple people co

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Ego. Ignorance. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Michael Thomas" To: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Friday, December 25, 2020 1:27:39 PM Subject: Re: [External] Re: 10g resid

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On 12/26/20 1:13 PM, Valdis Klētnieks wrote: On Sat, 26 Dec 2020 12:58:42 -0800, Michael Thomas said: can go on for days. We have a generator because of this, but everybody getting a generator in the middle of the Berkeley Hills would be something of its own horror show, but it will probably

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On Sat, 26 Dec 2020 12:58:42 -0800, Michael Thomas said: > can go on for days. We have a generator because of this, but everybody > getting a generator in the middle of the Berkeley Hills would be > something of its own horror show, but it will probably come down to that. Egads. Especially if a

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On 12/26/20 12:44 PM, John Levine wrote: In the 25 years since I've lived here the power has never been out as long as a day so I think a four day battery will give me pretty good reliability. I know my fiber is a straight shot to the CO since I'm only four blocks away but as far as I can

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In article <653758700.2275.1608968920711.javamail.zim...@baylink.com>, Jay R. Ashworth wrote: >- Original Message - >> From: "John Levine" > >> They sure seem ready to take down the oopper. The installer was sad >> when I told him to leave my six-pair copper cable alone even though >>

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On 12/26/20 11:49 AM, Mel Beckman wrote: The thing is that the pandemic has changed the game on the ground: there is an actual feature differentiator to be had. But having dealt with the Linksys folks in the past I don't put out much hope that they'll take advantage of it. The software

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The thing is that the pandemic has changed the game on the ground: there is an actual feature differentiator to be had. But having dealt with the Linksys folks in the past I don't put out much hope that they'll take advantage of it. The software development side was a vast black hole where time

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It was not meant to be a test as such, just a demonstration. Netnod to Bahnhof is full speed and the third server is mine, so all three servers can deliver at least 1G. Finding a speedtest.net server at least 1000 km away that will show full speed at 1G is hard. Namely because most such servers

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I wouldn't rely on these numbers too much, your testing methodology is flawed. People don't expect RING nodes to be used as speedtest servers and so they are usually not connected to high speed networks. Using a classical speedtest.net (Web or CLI) application would make much more sense, given

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On Sat, Dec 26, 2020 at 7:28 PM Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: > On Sat, 26 Dec 2020, Baldur Norddahl wrote: > > > I demonstrated that it is about buffers by showing the same download > > from a server that paces the traffic indeed gets the full 930 Mbps with > > exactly the same settings, including

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Aaron, One simple question. Why on earth would you offer free internet service? How and why? Your site show 1 Gig symmetrical for free when you should be a minimum of $65 per month to be competitive. On Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 12:31 PM Aaron Wendel wrote: > We run MikroTik RB4011s for residential

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We run MikroTik RB4011s for residential speeds between 1G and 10G or just supply a media converter. For residential 40G and 100G we just drop in Arista or Extreme switches. SMBs are normally just a media converter or direct fiber handoff. https://mikrotik.com/product/rb4011igs_5hacq2hnd_in

Re: 10g residential CPE

On Sat, 26 Dec 2020, Baldur Norddahl wrote: I demonstrated that it is about buffers by showing the same download from a server that paces the traffic indeed gets the full 930 Mbps with exactly the same settings, including starting window size, and the same path (Copenhagen to Stockholm).

Re: 10g residential CPE

On 12/26/20 10:09 AM, Valdis Klētnieks wrote: On Sat, 26 Dec 2020 17:50:28 +, Mel Beckman said: If vendors saw a 10GbE CPE market, they would serve it. Obviously they don’t see a market. Why don’t people insisting vendors build their hobby horse see that? It’s like they’re being

Re: 10g residential CPE

lør. 26. dec. 2020 18.55 skrev Mikael Abrahamsson : > On Sat, 26 Dec 2020, Baldur Norddahl wrote: > > > It is true there have been TCP improvements but you can very easily > verify > > for yourself that it is very hard to get anywhere near 1 Gbps of actual > > transfer speed to destinations just

Re: 10g residential CPE

On Sat, 26 Dec 2020 17:50:28 +, Mel Beckman said: > If vendors saw a 10GbE CPE market, they would serve it. Obviously they don’t > see a market. Why don’t people insisting vendors build their hobby horse see > that? It’s like they’re being deliberately obtuse :) The number of people

Re: 10g residential CPE

On 12/26/20 10:00 AM, Tony Wicks wrote: Actually the equipment vendor's build in this sort of situation is normally directly related to the availability of affordable chipsets from the likes of Broadcom. For example the chipset in my XGSPON router is a BCM6858. No vendor is going to spend

RE: 10g residential CPE

Actually the equipment vendor's build in this sort of situation is normally directly related to the availability of affordable chipsets from the likes of Broadcom. For example the chipset in my XGSPON router is a BCM6858. No vendor is going to spend money to produce a CPE that no one will buy.

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