Re: RPKI race

2020-06-17 Thread Mark Tinka
On 17/Jun/20 09:22, Baldur Norddahl wrote: > > After clearing the relevant BGP sessions the Cloudflare invalid > prefixes are gone from our routing table and we pass the test again. Are you running RTR to the validator for the router, or using RPKI communities? Mark.

Re: RPKI race

2020-06-17 Thread Baldur Norddahl
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 10:07 AM Niels den Otter wrote: > Hello Baldur, > > If you want to validate routes in a VRF you need to configure; > > set routing-options validation notification-rib > > Have you done so? > > > That was missing from the config. After adding it and running the command

Re: RPKI race

2020-06-17 Thread Baldur Norddahl
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 1:43 AM Rubens Kuhl wrote: > > Any default route to a non-ROV enabled upstream ? > Do you receive the test prefix from more than one upstream and the > previous test success could be a function of upstream ROV ? > > No this is how it looks: admin@gc-edge1> show route

Re: Router Suggestions

2020-06-17 Thread Mark Tinka
On 16/Jun/20 23:26, Owen DeLong wrote: > Count your blessings… I know that we are lucky that in the markets we operate, local depots are available. There are other markets in Africa that may not be so lucky. If we ever built into those markets, we'd certainly cold spare as much as possible,

Re: RPKI race

2020-06-17 Thread Mark Tinka
On 17/Jun/20 10:20, Baldur Norddahl wrote: > > > On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 10:07 AM Niels den Otter > mailto:niels.denot...@surfnet.nl>> wrote: > > Hello Baldur, > > If you want to validate routes in a VRF you need to configure; > > set routing-options validation notification-rib > >

Re: Reactive RPKI ROV (Was: Hurricane Electric has reached 0 RPKI INVALIDs)

2020-06-17 Thread Mark Tinka
On 16/Jun/20 22:07, Job Snijders wrote: > Since it is with words that we construct the magic of our reality, let's > assign a name specific to this engineering effort: > > Reactive RPKI ROV > = Reactive RPKI ROV, it is, then :-). A great effort by HE for a network that may

Re: Reactive RPKI ROV (Was: Hurricane Electric has reached 0 RPKI INVALIDs)

2020-06-17 Thread Baldur Norddahl
Lets say someone makes an announcement that creates a RPKI invalid and it is determined to be a mistake. They then go back and add ROA objects to fix the problem. With this reactive RPKI approach then continue to block the route because filters where already generated and pushed out to

RE: BGP FLowspec to Yang/Yaml ACL

2020-06-17 Thread adamv0025
In order to use YANG you need a device that can speak NETCONF/RESTCONF and understands YANG. There’s no such thing as “The YANG ACL” -there’s IETF YANG model for ACLs, there’s OpenConfig one, and your switch vendor might have another YANG model for representing ACLs. Whichever model provides

Re: [c-nsp] LDPv6 Census Check

2020-06-17 Thread Mark Tinka
On 16/Jun/20 14:24, adamv0...@netconsultings.com wrote: > Actually I was exactly I that situation and v4 RFC 1918 space worked out just > fine. In that way, you are braver than me. But hey, if you need IPv4 and can't get the public stuff, I won't fault you for going with the private stuff

favourite YANG data-store?

2020-06-17 Thread adamv0025
Hi folks, Was just wondering what are you folks using as production YANG data store and what do you like about the particular one you're using? Or maybe folks using OANP what is your YANG DS of choice? Plan on using it as in memory DS primarily for service, network YANG modules, (in addition to

Re: BGP FLowspec to Yang/Yaml ACL

2020-06-17 Thread Tim Jackson
Use ExaBGP to insert the routes? (https://github.com/Exa-Networks/exabgp) This is some old Perl that generates the older ExaBGP 2.0 style entries, but it uses template toolkit which means you can easily change the output format:

Fwd: [routing-wg] From Zero to RPKI Hero: Live Demo

2020-06-17 Thread Melchior Aelmans
For those who still need to deploy RPKI OV we are running a 'live show' on Friday. Feel free to join. Cheers, Melchior -- Forwarded message - From: Nathalie Trenaman Date: Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 12:39 PM Subject: [routing-wg] From Zero to RPKI Hero: Live Demo To: ripedenis--- via

Re: Reactive RPKI ROV (Was: Hurricane Electric has reached 0 RPKI INVALIDs)

2020-06-17 Thread Job Snijders
Dear Baldur, On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 01:42:36PM +0200, Baldur Norddahl wrote: > Lets say someone makes an announcement that creates a RPKI invalid and > it is determined to be a mistake. They then go back and add ROA > objects to fix the problem. With this reactive RPKI approach then > continue

Re: favourite YANG data-store?

2020-06-17 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson via NANOG
On Wed, 17 Jun 2020, adamv0...@netconsultings.com wrote: Hi folks, Was just wondering what are you folks using as production YANG data store and what do you like about the particular one you're using? Or maybe folks using OANP what is your YANG DS of choice? Plan on using it as in memory DS

Re: Mikrotik RPKI Testing

2020-06-17 Thread Massimiliano Stucchi
On 17/06/2020 19:38, Mike Hammett wrote: > Thanks! > > It's nice to see something mostly work on the first try. Mostly. I'm only living without IPv6 for the moment, which is painful... :) Ciao! -- Massimiliano Stucchi MS16801-RIPE Twitter/Telegram: @stucchimax signature.asc Description:

Re: Mikrotik RPKI Testing

2020-06-17 Thread Mike Hammett
Thanks! It's nice to see something mostly work on the first try. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: "Job Snijders" To: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020

Re: Mikrotik RPKI Testing

2020-06-17 Thread Sander Steffann
> Mostly. > > I'm only living without IPv6 for the moment, which is painful... :) OMG!!! Max, I'm so sorry to hear that :'( signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP

Re: Devil's Advocate - Segment Routing, Why?

2020-06-17 Thread Dave Bell
On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 at 18:42, Saku Ytti wrote: > Hey, > > > Why do we really need SR? Be it SR-MPLS or SRv6 or SRv6+? > > I don't like this, SR-MPLS and SRv6 are just utterly different things > to me, and no answer meaningfully applies to both. > I don't understand the point of SRv6. What

RE: Hurricane Electric has reached 0 RPKI INVALIDs in our routing table

2020-06-17 Thread Tim Warnock
> On 17/Jun/20 16:25, Jon Lewis wrote: > > The flip side of this though is that every time an IP space owner > > publishes an ROA for an aggregate IP block and overlooks the fact that > > they have customers BGP originating a subnet of the aggregate with an > > ASN not permitted by an ROA, HE has

Re: Devil's Advocate - Segment Routing, Why?

2020-06-17 Thread Saku Ytti
Hey, > Why do we really need SR? Be it SR-MPLS or SRv6 or SRv6+? I don't like this, SR-MPLS and SRv6 are just utterly different things to me, and no answer meaningfully applies to both. I would ask, why do we need LDP, why not use IGP to carry labels? Less state, protocols, SLOC, cost, bug

Re: Mikrotik RPKI Testing

2020-06-17 Thread Bryan Fields
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 6/17/20 2:06 PM, Massimiliano Stucchi wrote: > I'm only living without IPv6 for the moment, which is painful... Fyi, your signature is bad on that email. How is IPv6 coming on Mikrotik? It's a no-go at least for my deployment on 6.4 code. Not

Devil's Advocate - Segment Routing, Why?

2020-06-17 Thread Mark Tinka
Hi all. When the whole SR concept was being first dreamed up, I was mildly excited about it. But then real life happened and global deployment (be it basic SR-MPLS or SRv6) is what it is, and I became less excited. This was back in 2015. All the talk about LDPv6 this and last week has had me

Re: Mystery CDN

2020-06-17 Thread Filip Hruska
Using Shodan, we can find other nodes belonging to the same CDN by searching for "FP6.1.1866.55", which is conveniently present in the "Server" HTTP header. Skimming through the results, it would appear most of the nodes are on the Level 3 network. Picking one non-Level3 node at random

Re: Mikrotik RPKI Testing

2020-06-17 Thread Job Snijders
Dear all, > I noticed that Mikrotik has added RPKI into their very much beta v7 > branch. I would like to ask those of you that know RPKI well to check > it out and offer Mikrotik feedback on what they've done > right\wrong\broken. Our hero Massimiliano Stucchi in Switzerland started doing the

Re: Cogent sales reps who actually respond

2020-06-17 Thread Mark Tinka
On 17/Jun/20 16:30, Robert Blayzor wrote: > > They are truly ridiculous to deal with. Turning up a new 10G dual stack > link with BGP. At turn-up time they tell us we have to order BGP for > IPv6 separately. So you order a circuit with IPv4+IPv6 w/ BGP, but it > doesn't click to them you need

Re: Hurricane Electric has reached 0 RPKI INVALIDs in our routing table

2020-06-17 Thread Jon Lewis
On Mon, 15 Jun 2020, Mike Leber via NANOG wrote: I'm pleased to announce Hurricane Electric has completed our RPKI INVALID filtering project and we now have 0 RPKI INVALIDs in our routing table. Hurricane Electric has 29021 BGP sessions with 22109 prefix filters with 7191 networks directly and

Re: Hurricane Electric has reached 0 RPKI INVALIDs in our routing table

2020-06-17 Thread Mark Tinka
On 17/Jun/20 16:25, Jon Lewis wrote: > > The flip side of this though is that every time an IP space owner > publishes an ROA for an aggregate IP block and overlooks the fact that > they have customers BGP originating a subnet of the aggregate with an > ASN not permitted by an ROA, HE has

Re: Mystery CDN

2020-06-17 Thread niels=nanog
* clin...@scripty.com (Clinton Work) [Wed 17 Jun 2020, 17:31 CEST]: I'm struggling to determine which CDN owns the servers in CenturyLink prefix 8.240.0.0/12. During the Call of Duty Season 4 update on June 11th from 06:00 UTC until 08:30 UTC, we had 240 Gbps of traffic steaming into our

Re: Mystery CDN

2020-06-17 Thread Justin Oeder
Former Level3 operates a CDN. Might be worth looking into. On Wed, Jun 17, 2020, 11:43 AM Stephen Satchell wrote: > On 6/17/20 8:29 AM, Clinton Work wrote: > > I'm struggling to determine which CDN owns the servers in CenturyLink > prefix 8.240.0.0/12. During the Call of Duty Season 4 update

Re: RPKI race

2020-06-17 Thread Melchior Aelmans
Hi all, We (Juniper) are aware of the challenges with internet-in-a-VRF and RPKI OV. Hence work is in progress to solve some of these issues. If there's news (and I remember this promise) I will update. Feel free to ping me. Cheers, Melchior On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 10:30 AM Mark Tinka wrote:

IPv4 routes spiking from 10PM EST until 8AM EST

2020-06-17 Thread Drew Weaver
Has anyone noticed over the last week or so that the IPv4 routes appear to be spiking up temporarily every night from about 10PM EST until about 8AM EST? Is that just someone trying to test flipping over other network's TCAMs? Just wondering.

Re: Cogent sales reps who actually respond

2020-06-17 Thread Robert Blayzor
On 9/16/19 9:30 AM, Jon Sands wrote: > The last time I dealt with them, it took a little over 3 months to get > them to turn up basic BGP service. To top it off the sales rep was fired > in the middle of our deployment. Cogent seems to have higher rep > turnover than anything else I've dealt with.

Re: Hurricane Electric has reached 0 RPKI INVALIDs in our routing table

2020-06-17 Thread Saku Ytti
On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 at 17:28, Jon Lewis wrote: > The flip side of this though is that every time an IP space owner > publishes an ROA for an aggregate IP block and overlooks the fact that > they have customers BGP originating a subnet of the aggregate with an ASN > not permitted by an ROA, HE

Re: Mystery CDN

2020-06-17 Thread Stephen Satchell
On 6/17/20 8:29 AM, Clinton Work wrote: I'm struggling to determine which CDN owns the servers in CenturyLink prefix 8.240.0.0/12. During the Call of Duty Season 4 update on June 11th from 06:00 UTC until 08:30 UTC, we had 240 Gbps of traffic steaming into our network from CenturyLink

Mystery CDN

2020-06-17 Thread Clinton Work
I'm struggling to determine which CDN owns the servers in CenturyLink prefix 8.240.0.0/12. During the Call of Duty Season 4 update on June 11th from 06:00 UTC until 08:30 UTC, we had 240 Gbps of traffic steaming into our network from CenturyLink prefix 8.240.0.0/12. We originally thought it

Quality of the internet

2020-06-17 Thread Dovid Bender
Hi, My 9-5 is working for a VoIP provider. When we started in 2006 we had a lot of issues with the quality of the internet in eastern europe and central Asia. It was not rare for us to have to play around with routing to get the quality that we needed. In a review of tickets for the last two

Re: Network card with relay in case of power failure

2020-06-17 Thread TJ Trout
check with lannerinc, they sell x86 devices with this bypass function On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 1:15 PM Dovid Bender wrote: > Hi, > > I am sorry if this is off topic.I was once demoed a network device that > had two interfaces. The traffic would go through the device. If there was a > power cut

Re: Network card with relay in case of power failure

2020-06-17 Thread Dovid Bender
Yes TY. On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 5:15 PM Yang Yu wrote: > something like > https://www.chelsio.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/B420-021412.pdf > ? > > On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 1:16 PM Dovid Bender wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > I am sorry if this is off topic.I was once demoed a network device that

Re: Devil's Advocate - Segment Routing, Why?

2020-06-17 Thread Mark Tinka
On 17/Jun/20 19:38, Saku Ytti wrote: > I don't like this, SR-MPLS and SRv6 are just utterly different things > to me, and no answer meaningfully applies to both. I know they are different, but that was on purpose, because even with SR-MPLS, there are a couple of things to consider: * IOS XR

Re: Devil's Advocate - Segment Routing, Why?

2020-06-17 Thread Mark Tinka
On 17/Jun/20 23:07, adamv0...@netconsultings.com wrote: > First of all the "SR = network programmability" is BS, SR = MPLS, any > programmability we've had for MPLS since ever works the same way for SR. I see it the same way. > Yes anything that works for RSVP-TE (i.e. PCEP), if you want

Re: Network card with relay in case of power failure

2020-06-17 Thread Billy Crook
I have significant experience with these. Chelsio was the brand we used for an IPS/IDS device. They cost a fortune and they caused just as much pain as they saved. Unless you really think you're likely to go days without power and for some reason the things on the other end of those copper 300

Re: Router Suggestions

2020-06-17 Thread Shawn L via NANOG
We _always_ have at least one spare, or something that could be (relatively) easily pressed into service as one. Even in the Midwest, we've had times where 'guaranteed next day replacement' is more like 2nd or third day due to weather conditions, the carrier routing it weird, or just plain

Re: Network card with relay in case of power failure

2020-06-17 Thread Roel Parijs
Hello, I've seen something similar with Corero. Have a look at their SmartWall NETWORK BYPASS APPLIANCE. Roel On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 10:16 PM Dovid Bender wrote: > Hi, > > I am sorry if this is off topic.I was once demoed a network device that > had two interfaces. The traffic would go

Re: Quality of the internet

2020-06-17 Thread Izzy Goldstein - TeleGo
now you mentioned it, verizon fios is having issues in NY ? On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 4:50 PM Dovid Bender wrote: > Hi, > > My 9-5 is working for a VoIP provider. When we started in 2006 we had a > lot of issues with the quality of the internet in eastern europe and > central Asia. It was not

Re: Network card with relay in case of power failure

2020-06-17 Thread TJ Trout
'network bypass adapter' seems to yield results on eBay. On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 2:15 PM Yang Yu wrote: > something like > https://www.chelsio.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/B420-021412.pdf > ? > > On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 1:16 PM Dovid Bender wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > I am sorry if this is

Re: Devil's Advocate - Segment Routing, Why?

2020-06-17 Thread Mark Tinka
On 17/Jun/20 23:46, Tom Hill wrote: > Unsurprisingly, there would be no way on Earth that I could have said > that better, so you shall find only loud cheering from over here. Out of pure curiousity, have you deployed (or are you deploying)? Mark.

Re: Router Suggestions

2020-06-17 Thread Warren Kumari
On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 5:28 PM Owen DeLong wrote: > > > > On Jun 16, 2020, at 1:51 PM, Mark Tinka wrote: > > > > > > > > On 16/Jun/20 22:43, Owen DeLong wrote: > > > >> Covering them all under vendor contract doesn’t necessarily guarantee > that > >> the vendor does, either. In general, if you

Re: Hurricane Electric has reached 0 RPKI INVALIDs in our routing table

2020-06-17 Thread Job Snijders
Dear Jon, group, On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 10:25:14AM -0400, Jon Lewis wrote: > On Mon, 15 Jun 2020, Mike Leber via NANOG wrote: > > > I'm pleased to announce Hurricane Electric has completed our RPKI > > INVALID filtering project and we now have 0 RPKI INVALIDs in our routing > > table. > > > >

RE: Devil's Advocate - Segment Routing, Why?

2020-06-17 Thread adamv0025
> From: NANOG On Behalf Of Mark Tinka > Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 6:07 PM > > > I've heard a lot about "network programmability", e.t.c., First of all the "SR = network programmability" is BS, SR = MPLS, any programmability we've had for MPLS since ever works the same way for SR. > but

Re: Network card with relay in case of power failure

2020-06-17 Thread Yang Yu
something like https://www.chelsio.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/B420-021412.pdf ? On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 1:16 PM Dovid Bender wrote: > > Hi, > > I am sorry if this is off topic.I was once demoed a network device that had > two interfaces. The traffic would go through the device. If there

Re: Network card with relay in case of power failure

2020-06-17 Thread Joel Jaeggli
> On Jun 17, 2020, at 13:14, Dovid Bender wrote: > > Hi, > > I am sorry if this is off topic.I was once demoed a network device that had > two interfaces. The traffic would go through the device. If there was a power > cut or some other malfunction there would be a relay that would

Yahoo Email NOC

2020-06-17 Thread Fawcett, Nick via NANOG
Could someone from Yahoo email NOC contact me offline. We have been getting complains from our users trying to send to yahoo.com addresses. Email is getting deliverd, but randomly going into the Yahoo users spam folder. Thanks. ~Nick -- Checked by SOPHOS http://www.sophos.com

Re: Devil's Advocate - Segment Routing, Why?

2020-06-17 Thread Mark Tinka
On 17/Jun/20 20:40, Dave Bell wrote: > I don't understand the point of SRv6. What equipment can support IPv6 > routing, but can't support MPLS label switching? Indeed. Anything that can support LDPv4 today can support LDPv6, in hardware. SRv6 and SRv6+ is a whole other issue, not to mention

Network card with relay in case of power failure

2020-06-17 Thread Dovid Bender
Hi, I am sorry if this is off topic.I was once demoed a network device that had two interfaces. The traffic would go through the device. If there was a power cut or some other malfunction there would be a relay that would physically bridge the two network interfaces so the traffic would flow as

Re: Hurricane Electric has reached 0 RPKI INVALIDs in our routing table

2020-06-17 Thread Randy Bush
> Do you remember the old BSD paradigm? ... "less is more" s/bsd/mies/ credit where due. > We are now in a time where a *smaller* routing table entry list count > is preferable to a 'full' table, because the fullest table is likely > to also include problematic BGP routing information. do

Re: Quality of the internet

2020-06-17 Thread Dovid Bender
Yes. We have gotten a lot fo complaints today. Can't seem to nail it down. Random PL. On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 4:52 PM Izzy Goldstein - TeleGo < igoldst...@telego.net> wrote: > now you mentioned it, verizon fios is having issues in NY ? > > On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 4:50 PM Dovid Bender wrote: >

Re: Devil's Advocate - Segment Routing, Why?

2020-06-17 Thread Tom Hill
On 17/06/2020 18:38, Saku Ytti wrote: >> Why do we really need SR? Be it SR-MPLS or SRv6 or SRv6+? > I don't like this, SR-MPLS and SRv6 are just utterly different things > to me, and no answer meaningfully applies to both. > > I would ask, why do we need LDP, why not use IGP to carry labels? >

Re: Yahoo Email NOC

2020-06-17 Thread Tom Beecher
https://help.yahoo.com/kb/postmaster On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 5:39 PM Fawcett, Nick via NANOG wrote: > Could someone from Yahoo email NOC contact me offline. We have been > getting complains from our users trying to send to yahoo.com addresses. > Email is getting deliverd, but randomly going

Re: Mikrotik RPKI Testing

2020-06-17 Thread Bryan Fields
On 6/17/20 10:38 PM, Musa Stephen Honlue wrote: > Did you face any issues with IPv6 on 6.4, I personally have participated in > deployment projects on Mikrotik for many large networks. > > And it worked well in the end. The problem I ran into was having it support SLAAC for assignment of IP

Re: Client-side information gathering tool

2020-06-17 Thread J. Hellenthal via NANOG
On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 11:30:23AM -0500, Matt Harris wrote: >Hey folks, >I was hoping maybe someone could point me in a useful direction here. I'm >looking into software tools (ideally, they'd support Windows, Mac, and >Linux, though Windows is perhaps the only critical one) that

Re: Quality of the internet

2020-06-17 Thread Jared Geiger
I think all the eyeball networks moving to work with CDNs a bit better helped alleviate the congestion on the transit / peering links. DOCSIS 3.1 helped tremendously with jitter issues as well as fiber xPON being deployed by the telcos. Transit costs have dropped significantly. So it doesn't seem

Re: Hurricane Electric has reached 0 RPKI INVALIDs in our routing table

2020-06-17 Thread Jon Lewis
On Wed, 17 Jun 2020, Richa wrote: Job, RPKI ROA creation is a big hammer. Everyone needs to think carefully about each ROA they create and if it will positively or negatively impact their network. Could you please shed some more light on the above? How would ROA negatively impact if

Re: Hurricane Electric has reached 0 RPKI INVALIDs in our routing table

2020-06-17 Thread Randy Bush
>> Do you remember the old BSD paradigm? ... "less is more" > s/bsd/mies/ credit where due. recant. it was well before mies. i was just raised by and architect, and had uni roomies who were in the architecture school mies founded. so my own narrow vision. sorry. randy

Re: Router Suggestions

2020-06-17 Thread Owen DeLong
> On Jun 17, 2020, at 12:50 AM, Mark Tinka wrote: > > > > On 16/Jun/20 23:26, Owen DeLong wrote: > >> Count your blessings… > > I know that we are lucky that in the markets we operate, local depots > are available. There are other markets in Africa that may not be so > lucky. If we ever

Re: Devil's Advocate - Segment Routing, Why?

2020-06-17 Thread Robert Raszuk
> > Anything that can support LDPv4 today can support LDPv6, in hardware. > While I am trying to stay out of this interesting discussion the above statement is not fully correct. Yes in the MPLS2MPLS path you are correct, But ingress and egress switching vectors are very different for LDPv6 as

Re: Devil's Advocate - Segment Routing, Why?

2020-06-17 Thread Saku Ytti
On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 at 01:17, Mark Tinka wrote: > IOS XR does not appear to support SR-OSPFv3. > IOS XE does not appear to support SR-ISISv6. > IOS XE does not appear to support SR-OSPFv3. > Junos does not appear to support SR-OSPFv3. The IGP mess we are in is horrible, but I can't blame SR for

Re: Mikrotik RPKI Testing

2020-06-17 Thread Musa Stephen Honlue
> On 17 Jun 2020, at 22:31, Bryan Fields wrote: > > How is IPv6 coming on Mikrotik? It's a no-go at least for my deployment on > 6.4 code. Not sure I want to run beta in a quasi-production network. Did you face any issues with IPv6 on 6.4, I personally have participated in deployment