Re: Packet Kiddies Invade NANOG

2004-03-15 Thread Charles Sprickman
Why is NANOG starting to sound like full-disclosure? Can't you kids just argue amongst yourselves on IRC or something? This is so off-charter... If any of the involved parties thinks anyone cares, you'd do well to check your egos. -- Charles Sprickman [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, 15 Mar 2004,

Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?

2004-03-15 Thread Petri Helenius
Ken Diliberto wrote: The smarter students put a NAT box on their port so they can run their desktop, laptop, XBox and have a place their friend can plug in. NAT is evil, not smart. If the addresses run out because of legitimate use, more addresses should be allocated. Pete

Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?

2004-03-15 Thread Petri Helenius
Paul Vixie wrote: at scale, with things as they now are, i simply don't believe this. with a 1:1 ratio (daily customers to onduty clues), it is never going to be possible to contact every customer out of band (by phone, that is) when they need to be told how to de-virus their win/xp box.

Platinum accounts for the Internet (was Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?)

2004-03-15 Thread Sean Donelan
On Mon, 15 Mar 2004, Petri Helenius wrote: I see this as a two different processes. There are definetly some individuals who have no help whatsoever with their computers and need the abuse/helpdesk to walk them through the disinfecting process. Gartner estimates the total cost of ownership of

Summary: 10GigaEthernet on GSR feedback ...

2004-03-15 Thread Vincent Gillet - Opentransit
I was wondering : We recently installed 10GE interface on GSR boxes (Engine4+). I are experiencing a SNMP counter issue with 802.1q VLAN. We were used to have counters by 802.1q VLAN on GSR on 1GE, but it looks to be broken for 10GE subinterfaces. Counters are available by SNMP, but

Long-term identifiers (was Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?)

2004-03-15 Thread Sean Donelan
On Sun, 14 Mar 2004, Andrew Dorsett wrote: In a dorm room situation or an apartment situation, you again know the physical port the DHCP request came in on. You then know which room that port is connected to and you therefore have a general idea of who the abuser is. So whats the big deal

Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?

2004-03-15 Thread Rafi Sadowsky
## On 2004-03-14 11:58 - Simon Lockhart typed: SL SL If someone can point me to Virtual Solaris Machine, then I'd willingly offer SL that as a service (the colo I help run as a hobby is Sun only). AFAIK that will be in Solaris 10 - See N1 Grid Containers on

Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?

2004-03-15 Thread Simon Lockhart
On Mon Mar 15, 2004 at 12:26:09PM +0200, Rafi Sadowsky wrote: AFAIK that will be in Solaris 10 - See N1 Grid Containers on http://wwws.sun.com/software/solaris/10/ You can get a non-supported preview for free (or pay 99$ for one year support) Well, it's Zones. I downloaded the latest

Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?

2004-03-15 Thread Stephen J. Wilcox
Sorry this thread is huge, I hope I'm not repeating comments.. if the market for this is nanog and you're just looking for smtp/shell surely we can manage this between ourselves without charge (ask your nanog buddy for a shell as a favour).. I know I can and will do this Steve On Sun, 14 Mar

Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?

2004-03-15 Thread Michael . Dillon
$50/month at 40U rentable is $2000/rack/month if it's full. And then there's the newer high-density rackmount units like this one http://www.rlx.com/products/serverblades/dense.php This product puts up to 24 server blades in a 3U chassis which basically means you can put 8 times as many servers

RE: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?

2004-03-15 Thread Michael . Dillon
For most people it'd probably make much more sense to find a provider that offers some form of SMTP relay service. It'd probably be cheaper/month, and they wouldn't have the trouble and expense of providing/maintaining a colo server. Yep, if you aren't technically inclined that is better.

Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?

2004-03-15 Thread Eric Brunner-Williams in Portland Maine
Certianly the point central to your arguement is that with the right abuse-desk to customer ratio AND the right customer base, things could be kept clean for smtp/web/ftp/blah 'hosting'. I'll take the right customer base for $50 please Alex. This

Re: Long-term identifiers (was Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?)

2004-03-15 Thread Petri Helenius
Sean Donelan wrote: If I send an abuse complaint to an organization's mailbox on a Friday night, will it be dealt with in the next 10 seconds? Or sometime next week? If the computer reboots every 60 seconds, and gets different IP addresses every time, a single infected computer can appear with

Re: Platinum accounts for the Internet (was Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?)

2004-03-15 Thread Michael . Dillon
I expect every NANOG conference from now on will be filled with announcements asking people to please fix their computers because worms are killing the network. NANOG has less than 500 attendees, yet has about the same number as infected computers as any other ad-hoc network population. Maybe

Re: Platinum accounts for the Internet (was Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?)

2004-03-15 Thread Robert E. Seastrom
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Maybe NANOG needs to implement a system where you have to log in to a web page with your NANOG meeting passcode in order to get a usable IP address. Then, when an infected computer shows up we will know exactly whose it was. Might even be interesting for a

Re: Platinum accounts for the Internet (was Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?)

2004-03-15 Thread Eric Brunner-Williams in Portland Maine
a suitably snarky don't hire these top network engineers to maintain your fleet of windows boxes message) could be displayed on the Is this an opt-in list? I'd like to opt-in. Now. Nu. Proto. A lifetime ago.

Re: Platinum accounts for the Internet (was Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?)

2004-03-15 Thread Pete Templin
Robert E. Seastrom wrote: Seconded. This is dirt simple to do. If we believe in public humiliation, a list of infected machines and their owners (along with a suitably snarky don't hire these top network engineers to maintain your fleet of windows boxes message) could be displayed on the

Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?

2004-03-15 Thread John Kristoff
On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 01:29:29 -0500 (EST) Andrew Dorsett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a topic I get very soap-boxish about. I have too many problems with providers who don't understand the college student market. I can There are certain environments where it would be nice for people to

Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?

2004-03-15 Thread Laurence F. Sheldon, Jr.
Ken Diliberto wrote: Something else I just remembered: Connecting so much equipment in our dorms creates a fire hazard. The are only two or three outlets (what I've been told) in a room shared by two or three students. Add to the computer equipment a TV, stereo, DVD player, alarm clocks,

Re: Platinum accounts for the Internet (was Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?)

2004-03-15 Thread Laurence F. Sheldon, Jr.
Pete Templin wrote: Employee to PHB: You hired me to provide core network engineering and lead the level 2 network ops staff. Tell me again why you want me to provide any server engineering, if you knew my strengths when you hired me? There's a reason I've gotten out of small ISP consulting

Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?

2004-03-15 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Laurence F. Sheldon, Jr. [3/15/2004 7:39 PM] : If you were willing to live in a place where an electrical overload caused a fire (as opposed to tripping a circuit-breaker or blowing a fuse), you have not correctly identified your worst problem, or the the University's. That's always there, but

Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?

2004-03-15 Thread Laurence F. Sheldon, Jr.
Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: Laurence F. Sheldon, Jr. [3/15/2004 7:39 PM] : If you were willing to live in a place where an electrical overload caused a fire (as opposed to tripping a circuit-breaker or blowing a fuse), you have not correctly identified your worst problem, or the the

RE: Will your cisco have the FBI's IOS?

2004-03-15 Thread Owen DeLong
This whole thing makes me think that we should be encouraging VOIP traffic to run over IPSEC so we can claim we don't know what it is. Owen pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature

RE: Will your cisco have the FBI's IOS?

2004-03-15 Thread Christopher J. Wolff
Owen, That sounds like an invitation to have the Jack Booted Thugs barbeque your home a'la Branch Davidian compound style. :) Christopher J. Wolff, VP CIO Broadband Laboratories, Inc. http://www.bblabs.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf

Re: Platinum accounts for the Internet (was Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?)

2004-03-15 Thread Pete Templin
Laurence F. Sheldon, Jr. wrote: Pete Templin wrote: There's a reason I've gotten out of small ISP consulting - I don't do Windows, and I'm getting overrun by Linux corrosion slowly. I route, I switch, I help with securing networks. And I do wear a lot of hats at my day job, but I remind them

Re: Platinum accounts for the Internet (was Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?)

2004-03-15 Thread Laurence F. Sheldon, Jr.
Pete Templin wrote: Laurence F. Sheldon, Jr. wrote: Pete Templin wrote: There's a reason I've gotten out of small ISP consulting - I don't do Windows, and I'm getting overrun by Linux corrosion slowly. I route, I switch, I help with securing networks. And I do wear a lot of hats at my day

Re: Platinum accounts for the Internet (was Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?)

2004-03-15 Thread Dr. Jeffrey Race
On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 04:57:03 -0500 (EST), Sean Donelan wrote: NANOG has less than 500 attendees, yet has about the same number as infected computers as any other ad-hoc network population. If true this is a very significant fact

Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?

2004-03-15 Thread Janet Sullivan
Stephen J. Wilcox wrote: if the market for this is nanog and you're just looking for smtp/shell surely we can manage this between ourselves without charge (ask your nanog buddy for a shell as a favour).. I know I can and will do this Well, I do have motives beyond outbound smtp. I actually looked

Re: Platinum accounts for the Internet (was Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?)

2004-03-15 Thread John Kristoff
On 15 Mar 2004 08:01:15 -0500 Robert E. Seastrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe NANOG needs to implement a system where you have to log in to a web page with your NANOG meeting passcode in order to get a usable IP address. Then, when an infected computer shows [...] Seconded. This is

Re: Platinum accounts for the Internet (was Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?)

2004-03-15 Thread Ben Crosby
John, There are the beginnings of some wireless devices that are capable of directing wireless clients to cease transmission with L2 link control messages. These are just beginning to emerge, and unfortunately I'm certain that with only a matter of time people will write drivers that ignore such

Re: Counter DoS

2004-03-15 Thread Rachael Treu
Leaving directed-bcast open would accomplish this on these devices, as well as many others. A bigger problem here is that these irresponsible network polyps would offer an icmp-independent amplifier. They essentially open smurf amplification to any other protocol. Whereas a network might

RE: Will your cisco have the FBI's IOS?

2004-03-15 Thread Scott McGrath
This is part of a law enforcement wishlist which has been around for a long time (See Magic Lantern, Clipper Chip et. al. for examples). What is desired here is a system by which all communications originating/or terminating at $DESIGNATED_TARGET can be intercepted with no intervention by

Re: Platinum accounts for the Internet (was Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?)

2004-03-15 Thread Pete Templin
Laurence F. Sheldon, Jr. wrote: Pete Templin wrote: I didn't suggest saying I'm not gonna do it. I just suggested You hired me to deploy dynamic routing on your statically-routed network. What prompted you to think that I could configure site-wide anti-virus services such that no one ever

Re: hey had eric sent you

2004-03-15 Thread Scott McGrath
Bit hard by same bug. What version of code are you running on the 6513 8.1(2) fixes the bug on the 6x48 line cards. What happens is that packets of 64 bytes or less are silently dropped. Replacing linecards will not help unless there is another bug of which I am not aware. With a little

RE: Will your cisco have the FBI's IOS?

2004-03-15 Thread Sean Donelan
On Mon, 15 Mar 2004, Scott McGrath wrote: What is desired here is a system by which all communications originating/or terminating at $DESIGNATED_TARGET can be intercepted with no intervention by and/or knowledge of the carrier hence ensuring the security of the investigation. I don't think

RE: Will your cisco have the FBI's IOS?

2004-03-15 Thread Scott McGrath
I have read the filing it's another step down the road. True all comms are subject to intercept _already_ what is desired is a way to _easily_ perform the intercept and the easily part is the kicker. Some things should be hard especially where civil rights are involved. See all the light and

Wiltel Contact

2004-03-15 Thread Brian Boles
Can someone from Wiltel contact me offlist please. Brian Boles [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Will your cisco have the FBI's IOS?

2004-03-15 Thread David Lesher
Speaking on Deep Background, the Press Secretary whispered: I have read the filing it's another step down the road. True all comms are subject to intercept _already_ what is desired is a way to _easily_ perform the intercept and the easily part is the kicker. Some things should be

Re: iMPLS benefit

2004-03-15 Thread Yakov Rekhter
Mark, i heard there is a way to run MPLS for layer3 VPN(2547) service without needing to run label switching in the core(LDP/TDP/RSVP) but straight IP (aka iMPLS). ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-townsley-l2tpv3-mpls-01.txt See also Mark's talk from the last NANOG

Re: Packet Kiddies Invade NANOG

2004-03-15 Thread John Harold
Yes, Gregory Taylor aka OseK is a perfect gentlemen now. Here are logs from Feb 4th 2004 showing him being a perfect gentlemen... (08:35:45) #sigdie!OseK_ :[NEMESIS] Nodes are attacking 212.242.41.0/24 on port 666 for 60 seconds using spoofed TCP RESET Packets ... (08:36:04) #sigdie!OseK_

Re: Packet Kiddies Invade NANOG

2004-03-15 Thread Brian Bruns
On Monday, March 15, 2004 1:11 PM [EST], John Harold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, Gregory Taylor aka OseK is a perfect gentlemen now. Here are logs from Feb 4th 2004 showing him being a perfect gentlemen... You know how easy it is to fake IRC logs? (16:12:01) #nanog!jh I l33t hax0red

Re: Security: Cisco time?

2004-03-15 Thread Randy Bush
hice html shows lusers not operators, and i am not a browser. DIVHello,/DIV DIVnbsp;/DIV DIVI think cisco woke up now, A href=http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/5/36156.html;http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/5/36156.html/A/DIV DIVnbsp;/DIV DIVYou NSPs are the worst enemy for the

Re: Packet Kiddies Invade NANOG

2004-03-15 Thread ren
Stop it children. The thousands of people on this mailing list do not need to watch this road kill. -ren At 06:11 PM 3/15/2004 +, John Harold wrote: Yes, Gregory Taylor aka OseK is a perfect gentlemen now. Here are logs from Feb 4th 2004 showing him being a perfect gentlemen...

Re: Packet Kiddies Invade NANOG

2004-03-15 Thread james
: Stop it children. The thousands of people on this mailing list do not need : to watch this road kill. -ren But they sure make good kill file fodder ! James Edwards Routing and Security [EMAIL PROTECTED] At the Santa Fe Office: Internet at Cyber Mesa Store hours: 9-6 Monday through Friday

Re: Packet Kiddies Invade NANOG

2004-03-15 Thread Laurence F. Sheldon, Jr.
ren wrote: Stop it children. The thousands of people on this mailing list do not need to watch this road kill. -ren mode=voice in the wilderness Some where it was ineffectively written that if you stop responding to them, and particularly, if you stop endorsing the crap by quoting it all

Re: Load Balancing Multiple DS3s (outgoing) on a 7500

2004-03-15 Thread Bruce Pinsky
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Joe Abley wrote: | | | On 12 Mar 2004, at 23:24, joe mcguckin wrote: | | Patrick, | | I suspect that each FE goes to a different AS... | | | In that case, sample/count outbound traffic volumes by | (prefix/AS/AS_PATH/something), sort the resulting

Re: Fw: Packet Kiddies Invade NANOG

2004-03-15 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 00:36:00 EST, Joshua Brady said: I was talking more along the lines of disclosing personal information without permission, slander is another one as well... I'm coming up empty-handed on statutes for the disclosure issue. Asking around in the office found lots of rules that

Re: Packet Kiddies Invade NANOG

2004-03-15 Thread David Barak
Susan, could you please clarify the NANOG AUP for the benefit of some of our young/new posters? Thank you, -David Barak -Fully RFC 1925 Compliant- --- John Harold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snipped IRC junk = David Barak -fully RFC 1925 compliant- __ Do you

Re: Packet Kiddies Invade NANOG

2004-03-15 Thread Stefan Larsson
On Mon, 15 Mar 2004, David Barak wrote: Susan, could you please clarify the NANOG AUP for the benefit of some of our young/new posters? Thank you, -David Barak -Fully RFC 1925 Compliant- Either that or they can check out the website, http://www.nanog.org/aup.html --

Cisco website www.cisco.com 403 forbidden?

2004-03-15 Thread Jay Hennigan
Is it just me that they don't like? -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Administration - [EMAIL PROTECTED] WestNet: Connecting you to the planet. 805 884-6323 WB6RDV NetLojix Communications, Inc. - http://www.netlojix.com/

Cisco's Website down?

2004-03-15 Thread joej
Anyone else seeing an error getting to www.cisco.com? !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//IETF//DTD HTML 2.0//EN HTMLHEAD TITLE403 Forbidden/TITLE /HEADBODY H1Forbidden/H1 You don't have permission to access / on this server.P PAdditionally, a 403 Forbidden error was encountered while trying to use an

RE: Cisco website www.cisco.com 403 forbidden?

2004-03-15 Thread Todd Mitchell - lists
| Behalf Of Jay Hennigan | Sent: March 15, 2004 3:19 PM | | Is it just me that they don't like? Apparently they don't like me either. On top of that, they're running Apache 1.0--not so good. Todd --

RE: Cisco website www.cisco.com 403 forbidden?

2004-03-15 Thread Claydon, Tom
Nope. It's horked. = TC -Original Message- From: Jay Hennigan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 2:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Cisco website www.cisco.com 403 forbidden? Is it just me that they don't like? -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network

Re: Cisco website www.cisco.com 403 forbidden?

2004-03-15 Thread Matthew Sweet
Nah, they hate me too. :-) On Mon, 15 Mar 2004, Jay Hennigan wrote: Is it just me that they don't like? -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Administration - [EMAIL PROTECTED] WestNet: Connecting you to the planet. 805 884-6323 WB6RDV NetLojix Communications, Inc. -

Re: Cisco website www.cisco.com 403 forbidden?

2004-03-15 Thread Arnold Nipper
On 15.03.2004 21:18 Jay Hennigan wrote: Is it just me that they don't like? me too Arnold

Re: Cisco website www.cisco.com 403 forbidden?

2004-03-15 Thread Tom (UnitedLayer)
On Mon, 15 Mar 2004, Jay Hennigan wrote: Is it just me that they don't like? Nope, they got me too.

Re: Cisco website www.cisco.com 403 forbidden?

2004-03-15 Thread Laurence F. Sheldon, Jr.
Jay Hennigan wrote: Is it just me that they don't like? I've seen one or two other reports. Seems like a good opportunity for a round of Wild Speculation. -- Requiescas in pace o email

RE: Cisco website www.cisco.com 403 forbidden?

2004-03-15 Thread Todd Mitchell - lists
| Behalf Of Jay Hennigan | Sent: March 15, 2004 3:19 PM | | Is it just me that they don't like? All fixed now, but load times are hella slow: phoenix:~# curl -I cisco.com HTTP/1.1 200 OK Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 20:40:53 GMT Server: Apache/1.0 (Unix) Set-Cookie:

RE: Cisco website www.cisco.com 403 forbidden?

2004-03-15 Thread Williams, Jeff
It was down the first time I tried... seems to be back now. Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Todd Mitchell - lists Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 1:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Cisco website www.cisco.com 403 forbidden? |

RE: Cisco website www.cisco.com 403 forbidden?

2004-03-15 Thread Amar Andersson
Works fine for me. -- amar

RE: Cisco website www.cisco.com 403 forbidden?

2004-03-15 Thread Claydon, Tom
Al Qaeda packets? -Original Message- From: Laurence F. Sheldon, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 2:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Cisco website www.cisco.com 403 forbidden? Jay Hennigan wrote: Is it just me that they don't like? I've seen one or

Cisco 6513 Bug (was Re: hey had eric sent you

2004-03-15 Thread joej
Scott, Yep, we had to send in the line cards to get them upgraded, didn't have any information on upgrading the s/w on the Line cards and TAC wanted me to RMA them back. So. Boy this one was a real pain because it only seemed protocol specific at the time. Here's the referenced Bug

Re: Cisco's Website down?

2004-03-15 Thread Brian Bruns
On Mon, March 15, 2004 3:21 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Anyone else seeing an error getting to www.cisco.com? Yep, from AOL, level3, and RoadRunner. All coming back as 403. -- Brian Bruns The Summit Open Source Development Group Open Solutions For A Closed World / Anti-Spam Resources

Re: Cisco's Website down?

2004-03-15 Thread Adi Linden
Anyone else seeing an error getting to www.cisco.com? Maybe I missed to renew a service contract? They don't like me either. Adi

Re: Platinum accounts for the Internet (was Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?)

2004-03-15 Thread Alexei Roudnev
I expect, that good (tier-3, to say) network engineer MUST know Windows and Unix (== Linux, FreeBSD etc) on tear-2 (or better) level. Else, he will not be able to troubleshout his _network problem_ (because they are more likely complex Network + System + Application + Cable problem). So, it is

Re: Cisco's Website down?

2004-03-15 Thread William Warren
no issues here [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone else seeing an error getting to www.cisco.com? !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//IETF//DTD HTML 2.0//EN HTMLHEAD TITLE403 Forbidden/TITLE /HEADBODY H1Forbidden/H1 You don't have permission to access / on this server.P PAdditionally, a 403 Forbidden error was

Re: Cisco website www.cisco.com 403 forbidden?

2004-03-15 Thread Jeff Shultz
** Reply to message from Todd Mitchell - lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Mon, 15 Mar 2004 15:23:14 -0500 | Behalf Of Jay Hennigan | Sent: March 15, 2004 3:19 PM | | Is it just me that they don't like? Apparently they don't like me either. On top of that, they're running Apache 1.0--not so

RE: Cisco website www.cisco.com 403 forbidden?

2004-03-15 Thread Richard Danielli
Anyone going to open a TAC case ? -- Richard Danielli Founder/President eSubnet Enterprises Inc. TORONTO, ON Canada (416) 203-5253 c: (416) 525-6148 http://www.eSubnet.com ~~~ This E-mail message is confidential, intended only for the named recipient(s)

RE: Cisco website www.cisco.com 403 forbidden?

2004-03-15 Thread Priyantha
I can access it from Canada, but it seems that the first page is missing some info which are typically there. Priyantha Wightman Internet -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Todd Mitchell - lists Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 3:23 PM To:

RE: Cisco website www.cisco.com 403 forbidden?

2004-03-15 Thread Forrest Houston
Back for me now too. I was seeing the error earlier though. On Mon, 15 Mar 2004, Amar Andersson wrote: Works fine for me. -- amar

www.sunfreeware.com down too?

2004-03-15 Thread Jon R. Kibler
Have noticed several sites down today. Can't seem to get to www.sunfreeware.com as well as Cisco. -- Jon R. Kibler Chief Technical Officer A.S.E.T., Inc. Charleston, SC USA (843) 849-8214 == Filtered by: TRUSTEM.COM's Email Filtering Service

Re: Cisco website www.cisco.com 403 forbidden?

2004-03-15 Thread William Warren
no issues here..loads quickly. Todd Mitchell - lists wrote: | Behalf Of Jay Hennigan | Sent: March 15, 2004 3:19 PM | | Is it just me that they don't like? All fixed now, but load times are hella slow: phoenix:~# curl -I cisco.com HTTP/1.1 200 OK Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 20:40:53 GMT Server:

Re: Cisco website www.cisco.com 403 forbidden?

2004-03-15 Thread Tom (UnitedLayer)
On Mon, 15 Mar 2004, Laurence F. Sheldon, Jr. wrote: Jay Hennigan wrote: Is it just me that they don't like? I've seen one or two other reports. Seems like a good opportunity for a round of Wild Speculation. Cisco is under spam attack Cisco has closed their website because Vendor J made

RE: Cisco website www.cisco.com 403 forbidden?

2004-03-15 Thread Brian Bruns
On Mon, March 15, 2004 3:41 pm, Todd Mitchell - lists said: | Behalf Of Jay Hennigan | Sent: March 15, 2004 3:19 PM | | Is it just me that they don't like? All fixed now, but load times are hella slow: Probably a million other people just discovered it was back up as well. I know

.edueyeball LART RE: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?

2004-03-15 Thread Scott Weeks
: This is a topic I get very soap-boxish about. I have too : many problems with providers who don't understand the college : student market. I can think of one university who requires : students to login through a web portal before giving them a : routable address. This is such a waste

Re: Platinum accounts for the Internet (was Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?)

2004-03-15 Thread Scott Weeks
On Mon, 15 Mar 2004, Alexei Roudnev wrote: : I expect, that good (tier-3, to say) network engineer MUST know Windows and : Unix (== Linux, FreeBSD etc) on tear-2 (or better) level. Else, he will not : be able to troubleshout his _network problem_ (because they are more likely : complex Network

Curiosity

2004-03-15 Thread Laurence F. Sheldon, Jr.
People keep asking me why don't you take that off list? I have a suggestion: say instead STFU--it is easier to type. And that is the net effect, because every attempt to take an item off-list results in something like the following. I can not really figure out what the problem is.

RE: Cisco website www.cisco.com 403 forbidden?

2004-03-15 Thread Robert A. Hayden
Still 404s on me now when I try to log into CCO or follow any of my bookmarks to case query, pricelist, or TAC Case generation. Todays excuse of the day is: flip flip flip SUNSPOTS! On Mon, 15 Mar 2004, Todd Mitchell - lists wrote: | Behalf Of Jay Hennigan | Sent: March 15, 2004 3:19 PM

Re: Cisco's Website down?

2004-03-15 Thread Rachael Treu
Nor here. Been connected via GBLX all day to one of their pages. ymmv, --ra On Mon, Mar 15, 2004 at 03:42:12PM -0500, William Warren said something to the effect of: no issues here [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone else seeing an error getting to www.cisco.com? !DOCTYPE HTML

Re: Cisco website www.cisco.com 403 forbidden?

2004-03-15 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Mon, Mar 15, 2004 at 03:38:39PM -0500, Richard Danielli wrote: Anyone going to open a TAC case ? Good god, is there really so little interesting shit on the Internet that we are reduced to 20 post long threads me too-ing a 30 minute outage of a website which is now fixed? The god damn

Re: www.sunfreeware.com down too?

2004-03-15 Thread Brian Bruns
On Mon, March 15, 2004 3:51 pm, Jon R. Kibler said: Have noticed several sites down today. Can't seem to get to www.sunfreeware.com as well as Cisco. Works fine here. Possibly some flapping going on somewhere? I just logged into several routers and checked, I see nothing entirely out of

RE: Cisco website www.cisco.com 403 forbidden?

2004-03-15 Thread Christian Malo
It was down, came back up. It's certainly not a networking problem so saying it's down from a couple hosts doesn't matter. that's it that's all, no need to tell everybody it was down for you. -chris On Mon, 15 Mar 2004, Forrest Houston wrote: Back for me now too. I was seeing the error

Re: Cisco website www.cisco.com 403 forbidden?

2004-03-15 Thread Mike Tancsa
At 03:53 PM 15/03/2004, Tom (UnitedLayer) wrote: On Mon, 15 Mar 2004, Laurence F. Sheldon, Jr. wrote: Jay Hennigan wrote: Is it just me that they don't like? I've seen one or two other reports. Seems like a good opportunity for a round of Wild Speculation. Cisco is under spam attack Cisco

Re: Platinum accounts for the Internet (was Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?)

2004-03-15 Thread Randy Bush
No true in many cases. All I have to prove is it's not the network and then I hand it off to the windows/*nix/whatever sysadmins. To prove it's not the network, I don't need to know the end systems in any sort of detail. to pass the buck, one needs to know nothing. what makes a great noc

Re: Curiosity

2004-03-15 Thread Tom (UnitedLayer)
On Mon, 15 Mar 2004, Laurence F. Sheldon, Jr. wrote: And that is the net effect, because every attempt to take an item off-list results in something like the following. I can not really figure out what the problem is. You're on SPEWS eh?

PRISP (ISP Provisiong) Project (was - Ipal project)

2004-03-15 Thread william(at)elan.net
Due to previous ipal name collision discovered last week the project has been renamed PRISP, big thanks to GertJan Hagenaars for this name. Again if people would like to participate, this project will develop opensource software (or framework and database schema for such software) to help

Re: Platinum accounts for the Internet (was Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?)

2004-03-15 Thread Kelly Setzer
On Mon, Mar 15, 2004 at 12:21:54PM -1000, Randy Bush wrote: No true in many cases. All I have to prove is it's not the network and then I hand it off to the windows/*nix/whatever sysadmins. To prove it's not the network, I don't need to know the end systems in any sort of detail.

Re: Cisco's Website down?

2004-03-15 Thread Stephen J. Wilcox
Anyone else seeing an error getting to www.cisco.com? Yep, from AOL, level3, and RoadRunner. All coming back as 403. You expected the webserver to react differently depending on how your packets got there? Steve

Re: Cisco's Website down?

2004-03-15 Thread Brian Bruns
On Monday, March 15, 2004 6:01 PM [EST], Stephen J. Wilcox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone else seeing an error getting to www.cisco.com? Yep, from AOL, level3, and RoadRunner. All coming back as 403. You expected the webserver to react differently depending on how your packets got there?

Re: Platinum accounts for the Internet (was Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?)

2004-03-15 Thread Scott Weeks
On Mon, 15 Mar 2004, Randy Bush wrote: : No true in many cases. All I have to prove is it's not the network and : then I hand it off to the windows/*nix/whatever sysadmins. To prove : it's not the network, I don't need to know the end systems in any sort of : detail. : : to pass the buck,

Re: Platinum accounts for the Internet (was Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?)

2004-03-15 Thread jlewis
On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe NANOG needs to implement a system where you have to log in to a web page with your NANOG meeting passcode in order to get a usable IP address. Then, when an infected computer shows up we will know exactly whose it was. Might even be

Re: Platinum accounts for the Internet (was Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?)

2004-03-15 Thread Stephen J. Wilcox
I find it ironic that one of the presentations at the last nanog was about a system kind of like that: http://www.nanog.org/mtg-0402/gauthier.html and that we had some luser on the nanog30 wireless network infected by SQL slammer. Well it wouldnt be nanog without a few infections, password

A TCP Replacement protocol 6000 times faster than DSL?

2004-03-15 Thread Scott Call
Found on slashdot: http://www.scienceblog.com/community/article2473.html Any idea what they're trying to say/sell? The article is so vague as to be mostly useless, but it seems to indicate the usual stuff like sliding windows. -S -- Scott Call Router Geek, ATGi, home of $6.95 Prime Rib

Re: A TCP Replacement protocol 6000 times faster than DSL?

2004-03-15 Thread James Edwards
http://www.slac.stanford.edu/grp/scs/net/talk03/tcp-slac-nov03.pdf signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: Platinum accounts for the Internet (was Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?)

2004-03-15 Thread Alexei Roudnev
Ok - is name resoluution issue network issue or not? if it is, how can you answer anything without knowing, for example, of existing Windows DNS client with internal cache, and difference between 'ping' and 'nslookup' name resolution on Solaris? Is ARP problem - network one or not? if it is, how

3 strikes - Interior Department ordered offline again

2004-03-15 Thread Sean Donelan
The US Department of Interior was ordered to disconnect most, but not all, Internet connections. They don't have to disconnect their modems, private networks, or other agency networks. This is the third time the court has ordered the Interior Department to disconnect some or all of their

Re: Platinum accounts for the Internet (was Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?)

2004-03-15 Thread Alexei Roudnev
Is it bad, If they (your sysadmins) understand your backbone infrastructure and understand such things, as MTU MTU discovery, knows about ACL filters (without extra details) and existing limitations? They are not required to know about VPN mode or T3 card configuration, but they must understand

Electrical Fire at 2nd + Federal Street

2004-03-15 Thread Tom (UnitedLayer)
Apparently there's some PGE problem, and a possible electrical fire. It appears that 501 2nd street is on Generator, and several other businesses on federal and 2nd streets are out of power. Bryant street appears to have spotty power in the area. Anyone else know anything about this? --- Tom

Re: .edueyeball LART RE: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?

2004-03-15 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 11:27:42 -1000, Scott Weeks [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Also, most .edueyeball networks have (and have always had) a VERY low budget for networking stuff. As a result, generally, there is little to no plant map documentation, so it isn't the case of looking up the physical

AS3561 - lights are on but nobody's home?

2004-03-15 Thread Mike Lewinski
I know that CW was supposed to close their US ops, and then it went to re-org and became CW America or something of the sort, but does anyone here have a clue as to their new support info? Because just a week or so ago 800-486-9932 got me to a real human for support, and now it just rings and

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