Re: nettime Iraq: The Way Forward

2007-01-19 Thread Benjamin Geer
On 19/01/07, Michael H Goldhaber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Contras were in Nicaragua. Reagan hardly hid his political support for them, but was eventually forced by Congress to be secretive about direct aid to them. Yes, Nicaragua, sorry. That's just one of many examples of covert US

Re: nettime Iraq: The Way Forward

2007-01-18 Thread Michael H Goldhaber
In my original piece on Iraq, I tried to make the point that the main reason for US militarism is itself, it's ecnomic benefits(?) at home, and its effect in solidfying the country behind leaders and policies that otherwise would be more suspect. Justifications or rationalizations in

Re: nettime Iraq: The Way Forward

2007-01-17 Thread A. G-C
Sorry of my bad English On 11/01/07 12:54, Benjamin Geer [EMAIL PROTECTED] probably wrote: On 11/01/07, Michael H Goldhaber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: b) Venice is in fact becoming de-populated, with its natives moving to the car-unfree mainland; That's because tourism has driven up real

Re: nettime Iraq: The Way Forward

2007-01-17 Thread Benjamin Geer
On 12/01/07, A. G-C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do you explain the proliferation of US military bases in the Middle East[1] if those bases aren't intended to protect American access to oil?[2] [...] to keep a military strategic position of US Defence at the south of Russia and China

Re: nettime Iraq: The Way Forward

2007-01-11 Thread Michael H Goldhaber
Felix may well be right that cars lead to a reduction of communal life, and Venice (Italy) seems to an outsider to be a wonderful place. But: a) I hope we don't wait until the US is rebuilt car-free to pull out of Iraq; b) Venice is in fact becoming de-populated, with its natives moving

Re: nettime Iraq: The Way Forward

2007-01-11 Thread Dan S. Wang
Hello nettime, Yes, and a couple of days after this thread started I was stunned to read on my Sunday morning Chicago Tribune the headline Tribune Special Report: How Do We Stop the Carnage? At last! The proper question in the proper terminology, in a big American daily paper! Then my eyes saw

Re: nettime Iraq: The Way Forward

2007-01-11 Thread Benjamin Geer
On 11/01/07, Michael H Goldhaber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: b) Venice is in fact becoming de-populated, with its natives moving to the car-unfree mainland; That's because tourism has driven up real estate prices to the point where locals can no longer afford to live there. There are ways to

Re: nettime Iraq: The Way Forward

2007-01-11 Thread Kimberly De Vries
We who oppose the war have been acting apathetic, it's true. I think the reason for some is that it seems our efforts are useless. When the war was beginning there were huge protests; many contacted their politicians,marched, etc. And that accomplished nothing. The mass of Americans swallowed

Re: nettime Iraq: The Way Forward

2007-01-10 Thread Felix Stalder
On Friday, 5. January 2007 20:36, Michael H Goldhaber wrote: We have reached a crucial turning point in American history. The November elections and current polls have made clear that Americans have soured on the Iraq war, and want the troops to be withdrawn rapidly. I'm not a close

Re: nettime Iraq: The Way Forward

2007-01-10 Thread porculus
Their good will is nothing when that is all that matters. doch! 'the road to hell is paved with good intentions' sound noble, fluent, shakespearian what fit in the bondesque month of the global fatal liege man, the brit hammer of god, his beloved download, the good..then..i dont know..'i feel

Re: nettime Iraq: The Way Forward

2007-01-10 Thread Andreas Broeckmann
folks, in the context of transmediale.07 we are organising a conference panel with several journalists working in bagdad and amman, together with the people who run http://www.niqash.org regards, -a transmediale.07 Conference Panel: The Media Landscape of Iraq =46riday, 2.2. 2007, 12.00 hrs,

Re: nettime Iraq: The Way Forward

2007-01-10 Thread Benjamin Geer
On 10/01/07, Felix Stalder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now, we are in a situation where nobody has any good idea what to do. [...] There are no community rituals, no community centers, often there are no sidewalks. People live in empty soulless houses and drive big empty cars on freeways to Los

Re: nettime Iraq: The Way Forward

2007-01-09 Thread Andreas Broeckmann
folks, in the context of transmediale.07 we are organising a conference panel with several journalists working in bagdad and amman, together with the people who run http://www.niqash.org regards, -a transmediale.07 Conference Panel: The Media Landscape of Iraq Friday, 2.2. 2007, 12.00 hrs,

Re: nettime Iraq: The Way Forward

2007-01-06 Thread Brian Holmes
The notion of a teachable moment is fundamental. I take it to mean, a moment when every thoughtful and responsible American, in whatever medium, arena, theater, conversation or public or private function they occupy or can open up, should seize the occasion of widespread uncertainty, failed

Re: nettime Iraq: The Way Forward

2007-01-06 Thread porculus
If part of the reason for wars like this one is Americans' lack of knowledge about the rest of the world, perhaps it will be necessary to remedy that problem in order to avoid future Iraqs. rohaa, still, americanz are always good guies when they ball up it's cause they dont know or are not