Re: nettime NSA-spying-on-Europe outrage somewhat disingenuous

2013-07-02 Thread Marko Peljhan
Heiko, great that you pointed out to this legal brief which is a fantastic, albeit a bit heavy legal read. The Dr. Herzog, Dr. Hesse, Dr. Katzenstein, Dr. Niemeyer, Dr. Heußner, Niedermaier, Dr. Henschelbrief, Bamford's early revelations in the form of books and of course Nicky Hager's Secret

Re: nettime NSA-spying-on-Europe outrage somewhat disingenuous

2013-07-02 Thread John Hopkins
Exactly at the tricky juncture of final negotiations for a comprehensive trade agreement between US and EU (remember - it's the economy, stupid!), the US government has probably more to explain than it ever be able to. Sortof comeback of Churchill's quip on the Balkans, whose problem was that

Re: nettime NSA-spying-on-Europe outrage somewhat disingenuous

2013-07-02 Thread Marko Peljhan
Yes, line item 82 is somewhat crucial and surprising in its explanation...(if you are no cynical...) But as you pointed out, this happened in the 80's and you could find similar cases all over the legal systems of s.c. democracies up to today. Here in the US, more than half of the public

nettime Announcement: Society of the Query #2, 7-8 November 2013, Amsterdam, The Netherlands

2013-07-02 Thread Miriam Rasch
Society of the Query #2 Online Search: about 4.720.000.000 results November 7 ? 8, 2013 Main Building Amsterdam Public Library (OBA) Amsterdam (NL) This fall the Institute of Network Cultures invites you to the second Society of the Query conference on search and search engines, 7 and 8

Re: nettime NSA-spying-on-Europe outrage somewhat disingenuous

2013-07-02 Thread Brian Holmes
On 07/02/2013 08:32 PM, Marko Peljhan wrote: Here in the US, more than half of the public opinion does not care much about the fact that all of our communications and patterns are being gathered and stored...it is an incredible reaction. Ah ha, but the beauty is in the other half, no? I