Re: nettime More Crisis in the Information Society

2014-07-24 Thread Newmedia
Eric: But society *cannot* be designed -- not by you or anyone else. Indeed, this is why so many people are naive to imagine that there is a Deep-State (which doesn't exist and about which the Snowden disclosures tell us nothing) or that there is anyone to whom you could give a Big

Re: nettime automated digest [x2: griffis, gurstein]

2014-07-24 Thread John Hopkins
Very, very prescient of McLuhan but his otherwise extremely insightful analysis missed one element--the political economic context into which these technology induced changes would be introduced and which would both influence and be influenced by. Michael a few comments/observations/musings

Re: nettime paying users for their data

2014-07-24 Thread Wolfie Christl
On 24.07.2014 11:29, Felix Stalder wrote: If you divide the 30 cents income by the 60 hours work, the you end up with an hourly-wage of $.005. Now this is obviously the roughest of ballpark estimates you can make -- and I would be happy to see a better one -- but on the face of it, it seems

Re: nettime paying users for their data

2014-07-24 Thread olia lialina
Dear Felix I'm afraid you are mixing up value of personal data and value of time spend filling a service with this data. related, two demands on the User Rights: The Right to get Revenue http://userrights.contemporary-home-computing.org/u0ibb/ The right to be the (prime) beneficiary of

Re: nettime paying users for their data

2014-07-24 Thread brian.hol...@aliceadsl.fr
Felix says: Now this is obviously the roughest of ballpark estimates you can make -- and I would be happy to see a better one -- but on the face of it, it seems to indicate that viewing one personal data as an economic asset is really a lousy idea, no matter how you slice it. Well, if you were