Re: Lev on the embarressment of digital art

2020-09-20 Thread Brian Holmes
As I understand it, Lev Manovich set out to define New Media Art using modernist criteria - notably the tautological gesture whereby the artwork refers to its own components, or its so-called "conditions of possibility." However, as Steve Kurtz, Molly Hankwitz and John Hopkins have pointed out,

Re: Lev on the embarressment of digital art

2020-09-20 Thread John Hopkins
On 20/Sep/20 14:12, Molly Hankwitz wrote: Dear Geert, Lev, nettime...ok, I take the bait...!!! thanks Molly, et al... Important point -- that the use of networked/digital communications tools was the core (or at least peripheral) for some 'digital' works -- most of them forgotten -- except

Re: Lev on the embarressment of digital art

2020-09-20 Thread John Young
Art, or "art," has become so ubiquitous it is a challenge to avoid it, like pervasive mania for science in the early 20th century succeeded religion as a must have, and political ideology a compulsory requirement of sclerotic intelligentialism. CBD-Tech art, digital or 3D crafting, or

Addenda: Recoding Crip Tech exhibition 2020

2020-09-20 Thread Molly Hankwitz
Adding on to my optimistic rant re Lev Manovich sadness: Wanted to bring attention to this very well curated and interesting exhibition here in San Francisco by disabled artists and by artists about disability and technology. Very interesting work combining all manner of technologies to inscribe

Re: Lev on the embarressment of digital art

2020-09-20 Thread Molly Hankwitz
Dear Geert, Lev, nettime...ok, I take the bait...!!! On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 12:38 AM Geert Lovink wrote: > URL or not but this is too good, and too important for nettimers, not to > read and discuss. These very personal and relevant observations come from a > public Facebook page and have