Re: nettime-l Digest, Vol 174, Issue 40

2022-03-17 Thread Michael Goldhaber
See also this, today from Yair Rosenberg who is probably not that progressive, but still: Douglas Macgregor is a retired U.S. Army colonel who has become Fox News host Tucker Carlson’s go-to foreign policy expert. In recent appearances on the channel, he has argued

Re: nettime-l Digest, Vol 174, Issue 40

2022-03-17 Thread Stefan Heidenreich
qed :) Am 18.03.2022 um 00:00 schrieb Ted Byfield: This is my favorite debate strategy: when you don’t have a substantive argument, just say your interlocutors are incapable of understanding the truth.  It works for Macgregor’s fanboys on Fox, no reason it shouldn’t work on nettime. Cheers,

Re: nettime-l Digest, Vol 174, Issue 40

2022-03-17 Thread Ted Byfield
This is my favorite debate strategy: when you don’t have a substantive argument, just say your interlocutors are incapable of understanding the truth.   It works for Macgregor’s fanboys on Fox, no reason it shouldn’t work on nettime. Cheers, Ted On Mar 17, 2022, 18:26 -0400, Stefan Heidenreich

Re: nettime-l Digest, Vol 174, Issue 40

2022-03-17 Thread Stefan Heidenreich
it's a double bind + cognitive dissonance problem: for most western intellectuals, after years of fighting for the right causes (which I also supported and keep supporting) it is very difficult to realize that one has been gaslighted as useful idiot for the military-industrial complex. Am

Re: nettime-l Digest, Vol 174, Issue 42

2022-03-17 Thread Marine DaughterOfthePirate
Hi Miro, i have posted about how control society requires to mark out people agenda by different ways, allowing people to think according to an agenda that is not yours, when you don’t « think from your self » what is interesting is thus: how would one become able to think from one self? the

Re: nettime-l Digest, Vol 174, Issue 40 Western Propaganda in Ukraine War for NATO

2022-03-17 Thread Miro Visic
You affirm my point. Macgregor is a rare voice of reason in the West. You prefer delusional propaganda in western state media on alleged success of Ukraine military. It's not happening. Such a cynical attitude leads to more death and destruction. But the North Atlantic Terrorist Organization has

Re: nettime-l Digest, Vol 174, Issue 40

2022-03-17 Thread Keith Sanborn
Shd have been “you’ll” > On Mar 17, 2022, at 1:27 PM, Keith Sanborn wrote: > >  > If you liked the invasion of Ukraine, you love the Russian invasion when it > comes to Beograd. > >>> On Mar 17, 2022, at 1:08 PM, Miro Visic wrote: >>> >>  >> So nettime turned into NATO shit list. >>

Re: nettime-l Digest, Vol 174, Issue 40

2022-03-17 Thread Keith Sanborn
If you liked the invasion of Ukraine, you love the Russian invasion when it comes to Beograd. > On Mar 17, 2022, at 1:08 PM, Miro Visic wrote: > >  > So nettime turned into NATO shit list. > >> On Wed, Mar 16, 2022, 09:48 wrote: >> Send nettime-l mailing list submissions to >>

Re: nettime-l Digest, Vol 174, Issue 40

2022-03-17 Thread Miro Visic
So nettime turned into NATO shit list. On Wed, Mar 16, 2022, 09:48 wrote: > Send nettime-l mailing list submissions to > nettime-l@mail.kein.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l > or, via email, send a

THE KILL CLOUD: Networked Warefare, Drones & AI - March 25-27

2022-03-17 Thread Tatiana Bazzichelli
Dear Nettimers, I would like to inform you about our upcoming conference THE KILL CLOUD: Networked Warfare, Drones & AI at Kunstquartier Bethanien, 25 – 27 March 2022, in Berlin and on streaming. Details: https://www.disruptionlab.org/the-kill-cloud The dramatic situation in Ukraine and the

On Chomsky on Syria

2022-03-17 Thread David Mandl
Excellent deep dive into Chomsky's shallow take on Syria, including the facile "enemy of my enemy" approach he seems to take on pretty much every issue. Especially relevant given the recent rise of the pro-Assad left: