Re: Live Your Models

2016-05-08 Thread John Hopkins
Hei Brian -- While the discussion is interesting, I think for me, the crux of what you have written here is the subject line, which I am sure you chose with that in mind. It is our daily moment-to-moment practices (praxis!) that most affect the nature of reality and how the world goes. How

Re: Live Your Models

2016-05-08 Thread seb olma
Hi Florian and list, I found this a fascinating discussion and also think that - despite finding some of the contributions rather toenail splitting - it should be happen beyond nettime as well. In four weeks time, there will be a conference in Weimar not only focusing on exactly the questions

Re: Live Your Models

2016-05-08 Thread Patrice Riemens
Hi JHB & all, 'Population control' is indeed the elephant that regularly comes in stampeding in the chinaware shop of discussing a sustainable future. But it is a myth that has been put long ago to rest, first in moral terms by Mahatma Gandhi ("there is enough for everyone's needs, not for

Re: Live Your Models

2016-05-08 Thread Patrice Riemens
Hi JHB & all, 'Population control' is indeed the elephant that regularly comes in stampeding in the chinaware shop of discussing a sustainable future. But it is a myth that has been put long ago to rest, first in moral terms by Mahatma Gandhi ("there is enough for everyone's needs, not for

Re: Live Your Models

2016-05-07 Thread jan hendrik brueggemeier
Hi Florian - Thanks for sharing this. The critique of folk politics is an interesting one. Although I share Brian's view about to focus on a more convergent approach "to work constructively with the many forms of resistance". I also feel like that a small scale approach, although maybe not the

Re: Live Your Models

2016-05-05 Thread Jaromil
Shouldn't we be tired of repeating the same reasoning over and over about deflationary currency? and of making decalogues of what we critical thinkers from the western black towers of doom think is good and is bad? is this list becoming a lighthouse for fast and cheap ethical directions so that

Re: Live Your Models

2016-05-04 Thread morlockelloi
Maybe I'm missing something, but exchanging some gold (or BC) for some oranges or sex does not create a debt relationship. It's unclear how possessing an asset implies debt. Debt can exist without any obvious exchange medium in sight. You can owe somebody oranges, sex, or diamonds. Some of

Re: Live Your Models

2016-05-04 Thread Florian Cramer
Debt is a separate phenomenon, and not necessarily related to non-fiat currencies, possession does not automatically imply debt, eg. if I invest my time into digging gold, and find some, who owes me? Debt is predicated on enforcement capabilities, without which it does not

Re: Live Your Models

2016-05-04 Thread morlockelloi
If the currency is inflationary, then it's useless as a vehicle for savings, leaving only local-force-monopoly-backed notion of "property" as the savings method. If it is not global, it's useless outside the local fiefdom and subject to whims of the local government. The above has been

Re: Live Your Models

2016-05-04 Thread Siraj Izhar | publiclife
a future; hopefully "Folk Politics" may yet be there to save us (again). Siraj On 03/05/2016 11:00, nettime-l-requ...@mail.kein.org wrote: Message: 3 Date: Mon, 2 May 2016 17:31:11 +0200 From: Florian Cramer<flrnc...@gmail.com> To:nettim...@kein.org Subject: Re: Live Your

Re: Live Your Models

2016-05-03 Thread Rob Myers
On Tue, 3 May 2016, at 01:31 PM, Florian Cramer wrote: >[...] >Bitcoin repeats the history of so-called "neoliberalism" precisely >because it _is_ neoliberalism (in the sense we understand the word >today), in its most extreme form of libertarian anarcho-capitalism. In >fact,

Re: Live Your Models

2016-05-03 Thread Richard Barbrook
Hiya, > My issue > with Bitcoin in particular (aside from the fact that it has ended up as > a speculative investment Ponzi scheme where the first got rich) is that > it is based on the economics of Friedrich Hayek and his advocacy of the > gold standard for currencies. ... with added advantage

Re: Live Your Models

2016-05-03 Thread Brian Holmes
ms. How a negation, a Great Refusal, was by itself negated, producing a new positive, an unbearable norm. Real cultural critique is always an autobiography, an inquiry into how one has been made -- but not only. In "Live Your Models" I try to twist the rearview mirror forward and

Re: Live Your Models

2016-05-03 Thread Jaromil
On Mon, 02 May 2016, Florian Cramer wrote: >In more recent projects, for example crypto currencies, >Randianism even seems to have taken the upper hand, serving as >trailblazers for panoptical society of control technologies >(blockchain) that are quickly adopted by big

Re: Live Your Models

2016-05-03 Thread Molly Hankwitz
Dear Brian, I am interested in this idea of yours of the "flexible self" as I wrote much about "flexibility" in my critique of wireless imagination in my dissertation but did not know, at the time about your work, regrettably. I used the brilliant work of Melissa Gregg, on the flexible economy

Re: Live Your Models

2016-05-02 Thread Florian Cramer
Brian, > That's where the ambiguities lie. On > my view, the radical experiments of the Sixties and Seventies were > not misguided, yet they were partially absorbed into the new hegemony > of neoliberalism. That's why you have to be careful what you wish > for. Today it's time

Live Your Models

2016-05-02 Thread Brian Holmes
jor crisis of capitalism had ever managed to conclude... best to all, nettime's broken record (BH) ] **** Live Your Models Self-orientation and social form Throughout the twentieth century and up to today, art has been a prodigious creator of models. Models of the self, models of histo