Re: Renewed Tyranny of Structurelessness

2016-06-17 Thread Nina Temp
[sorry, delayed by flaky mods...] What a crap - this implicates that only rapists (your words) can produce = privacy tools and rides on the overcome patriarchal narrative that creative/ = technological progress has been achieved by single heroic individuals whose brilliant brains have grown = in

Re: Renewed Tyranny of Structurelessness

2016-06-17 Thread John Hopkins
[Sorry, delayed by flaky mods] On 15/Jun/16 03:19, Zenaan Harkness wrote: This means, that the cost to implement a "new community with new rules", in terms of education and effort, is not far off zero (at least for those with a Western schooling). Hmmm, this is a bit like saying "virtual

Re: Renewed Tyranny of Structurelessness

2016-06-15 Thread Morlock Elloi
The simple question is: do privacy tools need to have rapist-free origin? If the answer is positive, and the kosher tool origin is in (for the politically correct change of the world, unmarred by questionable characters), then we will not have non-corporate suppliers of privacy tools. See how

Re: Renewed Tyranny of Structurelessness

2016-06-15 Thread carlo von lynX
In the spirit of nettime, I took the time to add thoughts to several of the past contributions. On 06/12/2016 10:41 PM, Gabriella "Biella" Coleman wrote: >I certainly like this statement and think it has some valuable >insights: [1]https://jacobian.org/writing/assholes/ Yes, by creating

Re: Renewed Tyranny of Structurelessness

2016-06-13 Thread Gabriella "Biella" Coleman
> I think it is important to talk about what could have been done > differently but I don't buy into this argument. There are plenty of > institutions and organizations in hackerdom that are structured from > many free software projects (including Tor) to the Pirate Parties to the > CCC. Jake was

Re: Renewed Tyranny of Structurelessness (was: rise and

2016-06-11 Thread mp
On 10/06/16 20:42, biella wrote: > The social movement as a whole, like most social movements, are hard to > structur e (not sure I would want that anyway as social movements are by > definition transve rsal to any one organization, group, or entity) but > there are many important examples of

Re: Renewed Tyranny of Structurelessness (was: rise and

2016-06-11 Thread carlo von lynX
On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 02:42:20PM -0400, biella wrote: > I think it is important to talk about what could have been done > differently but I don't buy into this argument. There are plenty of > institutions and organizations in hackerdom that are structured from > many free software projects

Renewed Tyranny of Structurelessness (was: rise and fall of

2016-06-10 Thread biella
*As long as the, let's call it "hacktivist community", is a free form unconstituted something, it is always subject to the rules of the outside society: attention capitalism, spin doctor style manipulation. Will we ever know if the ioerror drama was, even if based on true human

Renewed Tyranny of Structurelessness (was: rise and fall of

2016-06-10 Thread carlo von lynX
On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 01:07:59PM +0200, Patrice Riemens wrote: > Making the rise of celebrities possible inevitably ensures the creation > of a celebrity cult, itself the blueprint for individual failure. We > should not have allowed ourselves to grow so big - as an aggregate. In > my