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Back to Patrice' original post: On Tue, Mar 08, 2022 at 01:20:23PM +0100, patrice riemens wrote: > Option Zero: There will be no war. Putin will enslave Ukraine after having > laid it to waste, annex part of it, and transform the rest in a vassal state, > or whatever 'solution' he has in mind

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Some yes, mostly no. There are some intersections, but I specifically and deliberately did NOT argue that anti-imperialists are echoing Russian disinfo bots, let alone aiding and abetting Putin’s project. On the contrary, I was challenging exactly that model of a priori dismissal of opposing

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Apologies for the broken link to George Monbiot article. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/mar/02/russian-propaganda-anti-imperialist-left-vladimir-putin Best David From: Henk Borgdorff Date: Sunday, 20 March 2022 at 21:39 To: David Garcia Subject: Re: The War to come

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Ted Byfield >Internationalism is an absolutely legitimate leftist stance too: >anti-imperialist I'm seeing here and elsewhere seems to be, more than anything >else, not just intellectually isolationist in its >origins but practically >isolationist in its consequences. And when it consigns other

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On 19 Mar 2022, at 13:42, I wrote: > I read Streeck's essay when it first appeared, and my sense was that you > could string together many of the points he makes and arrive at very > different conclusions. Someone pointed me to this FAZ piece on Streeck's essay:

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I read Streeck's essay when it first appeared, and my sense was that you could string together many of the points he makes and arrive at very different conclusions. His historical analysis is strong, but at key points it hinges more on simplistic grievances than facts, or as close as we can

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https://twitter.com/Rrrrnessa/status/1505209686064312326 chr > Am 11.03.2022 um 18:18 schrieb w : > > Could not agree more with Stefan's comment. One more thing to > consider, all the tax money the EU countries are pumping into this

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Could not agree more with Stefan's comment. One more thing to consider, all the tax money the EU countries are pumping into this failed country are only a fraction of what the oligarchs are pumping out into their tax haven accounts. But it doesn't matter, the US propaganda machine has fully

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"Fog of War," an essay by Wolfgang Streek: https://newleftreview.org/sidecar/posts/fog-of-war Thought it kind of pertinent to the thread Patrice Riemens started. Greetings, Wolfgang # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, #

Re: The War to come ... / dependency on Russian gas imports

> Some European countries, such as Germany, have left themselves little > choice but to buy Russian gas. Since this is a major point of current debates, here's a piece of info regarding the respective dependency on Russian gas imports by different European countries:

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A missing element in most discussions here and elsewhere is a grasp of the material foundations that underpin The moving parts of geo-politics, particularly factors relating to the control of energy resources. A notable exception is Helen Thompson who's recently published Dis-order: Hard

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why not cutting stuff short: the war is going brilliantly. 3 goals have alread been achieved 1) keep the Russians out 2) the Americans in 3) the Germans down. (Lord Ismay) Now, please: harshest sanctions ever, in order to also reach the last goal: 4) Fuck the EU! (Nuland) Mission almost

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> On 11-Mar-2022, at 1:39 PM, Andreas Broeckmann > wrote: > > The impression that Prem's analysis might be marred by the conceptual > limitations of "imperiology" is underscored by the fact that his examples > (anecdotal, but no doubt valid examples) relate only to the US. Andreas, The

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Folks, I want to add two thoughts to this discussion. They both concern the terminology of the "spheres of influence" and "imperialism". I'm not a political scientist and presume that there are elaborate debates about this elsewhere. What I notice in the current discussions is that this

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An interesting discussion, but I’d like to come at it from another angle. My father was born in Lviv—then known as Lemberg, Galicia, Austro-Hungary, pre-WWI–and one of my new granddaughter’s other grandparents was born in the same city —then Lvov, Ukraine SSR. In between it was Lwów, Poland.

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Thanks for your response Prem. I am glad to hear an outside perspective in the first person. We are entering a geopolitical age where new borders and spheres of influence will be set up whether one likes it or not. When war becomes a whole-of-society effort, as it is now, the consequence can only

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Felix gets it, imo. Not sure about elsewhere, but the 'special relationship left' — the US certainly and the UK as well, I think — has been stuck in a rut. OT1H hard-ish doctrinaire 'anti-imperialist' formations robotically denounce NATO in the monolithic, one-sided terms Felix points out;

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Hi Brian, Good to hear from you and to be in an exchange of thoughts with you once again. My thoughts: Let me start with your question on NATO’s eastward expansion. Yes - on principle, one cannot deny the freedom of the Eastern European states to choose their alliances. But the consequences

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On 10.03.22 06:02, Brian Holmes wrote: Here's the thing though. Should Nato really have denied entry to all those Eastern European states that requested it? Remember that most of those states, they had been taken over but not absorbed by the Soviet Union. They lived for decades under

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Prem, it is good to hear from you. It's obvious you have a lot to say about all this. I would like to hear more on some points. First I totally get it that the Pax Americana is a cover for US hegemony and how it has become a glaring fact. You say that to overcome it "we would need a frank and

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It seems the matter is now resolved. Here’s the link: https://vimeo.com/user5077443/the-beauty-of-force Keith > On Mar 9, 2022, at 7:57 PM, Keith Sanborn wrote: > > Hi nettimers, > > For some reason my vimeo account has been “automatically flagged” making all > my videos suddenly private.

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Hi nettimers, For some reason my vimeo account has been “automatically flagged” making all my videos suddenly private. Who knows why? Perhaps because there are Cyrillic characters in the title of this one? Very odd. I have submitted a ticket to vimeo support. I’ll post if/when my account

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Keith, Your vimeo link seems to be password-blocked? Barbara -- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2022 19:54:39 -0500 From: Keith Sanborn To: patrice riemens Cc: Nettimepost Subject: Re: The War to come ... Message-ID: Content

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that's my point just published https://instituteofradicalimagination.org/2022/03/09/militant-mutualism-and-the-exit-from-empire/?fbclid=IwAR1Q7GBbLIDM04w0oZx6aRdEww73FSZuginaa9htDIiQhMR_x0W2RH-zKNM On Wed, 9 Mar 2022 at 10:34, Prem Chandavarkar wrote: > Sorry for a consistent error of saying

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Sorry for a consistent error of saying ‘eastern front’ when I meant ‘western front’. A senior moment. Thanks Andreas for pointing out the error > On 09-Mar-2022, at 12:05 PM, Prem Chandavarkar wrote: > > The fearful scenarios you lay out are all highly plausible, and will dominate > till

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The fearful scenarios you lay out are all highly plausible, and will dominate till Putin is given greater options by considering a wider history of hegemony in which the US is highly complicit: In 1990, shortly after the Berlin Wall had fallen, and the Soviet Union was beginning to

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Patrice et al, The concerns are real and well stated. What can we do? Concern here on Left Coast is , of course, with NATO involvement/non involvement (how Cold will this thing go) and how crazy will Putin or Rand Paul become in their rhetoric and actions? How convincing? How determined? How

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When I was in Russia in 2008 for 5.5 months, I recorded a lot of tv footage. The piece linked here is based on a series of commercials on Telekanal Zvezda (i.e. The military’s own star channel, complete with red star). At the time, all I remember them showing besides these commercials were old

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Patrice, you have put into words the bitter assessment of many many people. But you should be checking the twitter status of Andrei V Kozyrev (former Russian foreign minister) more often! March 6: "Russian military. The Kremlin spent the last 20 years trying to modernize its military. Much of

The War to come ...

... has already arrived . Aloha, Even though the last two posts on the list are mine, I have no intention to become (again) nettime's #1 poster! So this will be my last one for now. This said I still wanted to share my thoughts - was it only to be relieved of them - about 'the situation'