Re: nettime Hackers can't solve Surveillance

2015-01-06 Thread morlockelloi
This is exactly the issue - the (assumed) need for interpretation. If there is a small number of potential interpreters who really understand issues (1 in 1000?), and even smaller number among those who are willing to interpret to the public for altruistic reasons (1 in 1,000,000?), then it

Re: nettime Hackers can't solve Surveillance

2015-01-06 Thread Vesna Manojlovic
Reply to Hackers can't solve Surveillance Original at: https://lists.puscii.nl/wws/arc/uncivilization/2015-01/msg7.html Dmitry Kleiner wrote that hackers *alone* can not solve surveillance: http://www.dmytri.info/hackers-cant-solve-surveillance/ I would go further, and say that hackers

Re: nettime Hackers can't solve Surveillance

2015-01-05 Thread John Hopkins
Good points Dmytri Morlockelloi-- The nature of political challenges has changed *due* to the technology, and there is no way to enroll the unwashed into the action without understanding the said technology. It is clear that the feedback loops between what people do in life and what comes

Re: nettime Hackers can't solve Surveillance

2015-01-04 Thread Rob Myers
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/01/15 07:55 PM, morlockel...@yahoo.com wrote: no amount of 20th century politics will solve this. Well, 19th Century... -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJUqKZaAAoJECciMUAZd2dZj/IIALHSKNEuxGJ1sx1sG+0nhwBj

Re: nettime Hackers can't solve Surveillance

2015-01-03 Thread morlockelloi
The nature of political challenges has changed *due* to the technology, and there is no way to enroll the unwashed into the action without understanding the said technology. In 19th and 20th century it was relatively easy to explain issues and causes - the rich get all the pussy and power,