Re: nettime Pascal Zachary: Rules for the Digital Panopticon (IEEE)

2013-10-16 Thread John Hopkins
HI Florian -- In 2013, we're watching this history repeat itself as a farce. Many people (myself included) are flabbergasted by the lack of mass-scale protest against the government programs disclosed by Snowden. It seems as if two Speaking from the Belly of the Beast (semi-rural Arizona,

Re: nettime Pascal Zachary: Rules for the Digital Panopticon (IEEE)

2013-10-16 Thread John Hopkins
In 2013, we're watching this history repeat itself as a farce. Many people (myself included) are flabbergasted by the lack of mass-scale protest against the government programs disclosed by Snowden. It seems as if two ei Florian -- it's also because crap like this is happening among the

Re: nettime Pascal Zachary: Rules for the Digital Panopticon (IEEE)

2013-10-16 Thread Bodó Balázs
billions is, indeed, an overstatement, but: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2013/09/06/the-feds-pays-for-60-percent-of-tors-development-can-users-trust-it/ the state dept had tens of millions spent every year on promoting internet freedoms: From 2008 through 2011, the State

Re: nettime Pascal Zachary: Rules for the Digital Panopticon (IEEE)

2013-10-16 Thread dan
First, right-wing-ness is misleading, especially insofar as those considered far right and those considered far left have never been closer in outlook and their lists of what to overturn. Once it is both ends against the middle, you enter a pre-revolutionary setting. Let us not wander down that

Re: nettime Pascal Zachary: Rules for the Digital Panopticon (IEEE)

2013-10-15 Thread Al Matthews
Hello list. On Tor, The US was slow to realize (or did they know this from the beginning?) Surely the latter It seems to me that [US] State feels a clear need to hold both sides of this technology -- its availability, and its redress -- much as it avails itself of diplomacy as well as

Re: nettime Pascal Zachary: Rules for the Digital Panopticon (IEEE)

2013-10-15 Thread Florian Cramer
One aspect doesn't seem to have been addressed here yet: that the Panopticon may be an outmoded metaphor because of its sole emphasis on visuality. Twelve years ago, in 2001, the exhibition ctrl_space at ZKM Karlsruhe drew deserved criticism after its curators had departed from the notion of the

Re: nettime Pascal Zachary: Rules for the Digital Panopticon (IEEE)

2013-10-15 Thread { brad brace }
The degree of surveillance will simply escalate along with the technology -- what's unjust is the access to the information: the proverbial level-playing-field was the one big underlying promise of the Internet... We all should be able to learn where the rogue-cops, corrupt CEOs, gangsters,

Re: nettime Pascal Zachary: Rules for the Digital Panopticon (IEEE)

2013-10-12 Thread Nick
Quoth morlockel...@yahoo.com: The corollary is that the future belongs to the few, not to the masses, because high tech is centralized by nature, as it requires understanding, and those capabilities are scarce. The rest are fucked ... I mean 'users'. There are only competing elites. I

Re: nettime Pascal Zachary: Rules for the Digital Panopticon (IEEE)

2013-10-12 Thread Prem Chandavarkar
This discussion thread indicates that (a) there is a high level of discomfort with the current situation of the digital panopticon, and (b) bringing the oversight of engineers (or other humans) into the loop is not really going to change things much because there are wider systemic issues at

Re: nettime Pascal Zachary: Rules for the Digital Panopticon (IEEE)

2013-10-11 Thread Nick
Quoth Felix Stalder: The concept of the panopticon has been very popular ever since Foucault elevated it to the rank of a central metaphor for modernity in Discipline and Punishment (1975). And the NSA revelations seem to confirm its usefulness once again. It seems to me that the term

Re: nettime Pascal Zachary: Rules for the Digital Panopticon (IEEE)

2013-10-11 Thread Newmedia
Felix: Some people are using the concept of ban-opticon to express this. Correct. The principles involved have been in force for the past 100+ years -- long before *digital* systems. In the original 19th-century Benthamite Panopticon, the key idea was that the inmates had no idea if anyone

Re: nettime Pascal Zachary: Rules for the Digital Panopticon (IEEE)

2013-10-11 Thread Newmedia
Felix: Some people are using the concept of ban-opticon to express this. Correct. The principles involved have been in force for the past 100+ years -- long before *digital* systems. In the original 19th-century Benthamite Panopticon, the key idea was that the inmates had no idea if anyone

Re: nettime Pascal Zachary: Rules for the Digital Panopticon (IEEE)

2013-10-11 Thread kontakt | florian kuhlmann
hi, Am 11.10.2013 um 10:19 schrieb Felix Stalder: So surveillance has been decentralized and turned into task performed by the prison inmates themselves, and make into a precondition for staying inside: think credit ratings, facebook friends, google ranks etc. You have to make yourself

Re: nettime Pascal Zachary: Rules for the Digital Panopticon (IEEE)

2013-10-11 Thread chris mann
sure, amateur DIT surveillance defines fb and credit, but lets not forget the enthused amateur surveillance defining fame. or fashion. or any of those. (i'm still convinced that the nsa is modelling a new version of capital.. louis fourteenth enthused about greed as a mechanism for policing the

Re: nettime Pascal Zachary: Rules for the Digital Panopticon (IEEE)

2013-10-11 Thread morlockelloi
This realization per se is pretty much useless, as are endless ruminations regarding how free we were, once upon time. The old Marxist postulate that awareness will save the species is blatantly false - look around you. These technologies came to rule the world because their proponents made

Re: nettime Pascal Zachary: Rules for the Digital Panopticon (IEEE)

2013-10-11 Thread Felix Stalder
On 10/11/2013 01:46 PM, newme...@aol.com wrote: Correct. The principles involved have been in force for the past 100+ years -- long before *digital* systems. In the original 19th-century Benthamite Panopticon, the key idea was that the inmates had no idea if anyone was watching, so they

Re: nettime Pascal Zachary: Rules for the Digital Panopticon (IEEE)

2013-10-11 Thread Joe Raimondo
It becomes a kind of Borges-esque -- in the future, everyone on Earth will be watching everyone else on Earth, at the same time, all the time. On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 9:24 AM, chris mann chrs...@gmail.com wrote: sure, amateur DIT surveillance defines fb and credit, but lets not forget the

nettime Pascal Zachary: Rules for the Digital Panopticon (IEEE)

2013-10-10 Thread Patrice Riemens
original to: http://spectrum.ieee.org/computing/software/rules-for-the-digital-panopticon Rules for the Digital Panopticon The technologies of persistent surveillance can protect us only if certain boundaries are respected By G. Pascal Zachary (Posted 20 Sep 2013) For centuries, we humans