Dear Margaret and others,
I have been following this thread with interest and feel, that despite
some very insightful comments, something important is missing.
Something that still makes this discussion very abstract and far from
the real issues about sex work and consent. This is because we are
Thanks to Alessandra for a far more nuanced and recently informed
post. I realize that my responses were from someone with armor.
Words like disrespect and stigma in connection with prostitution
reflect my experience of the suffering of someone with great dignity
and grace whom I adored. My
The main missing topic of sex work is marriage. No other institution
promotes as fiercely and mercilessly -- and religiously blesses by god --
the subjugation of women to men for work in sex, house, reproduction,
child care, health, education, second job for less pay, name change,
financial
Margaret,
I googled a bit about the Ehrenreich book and I will check it out in more
detail. But from my brief scan:
I think the impulse of the postwar male to escape the capitalist nuclear
family, with its burden of breadwinning, physical domination of the loved ones,
and strict conformity,
Morlock, your comment is pithy, but it's a bullshit comparison. Just
because it sounds good doesn't mean it's true. Access to the body is much
more intimate than access to the brain.
since when is the brain *not* totally unified w/ the body and vice versa?
[despite Descartes is pumping his
Several replies indicate wide-spread religious attitude towards intellect, a
brain-body separation reminiscent of the traditional theories of language
before biolinguistics put them out of business.
Writing inane papers involves very physical changes in the brain, some more
some less
as my wrists, neck, shoulders, back, and butt remind me, writing (whether inane
or not) is a profoundly embodied practice. academics sell their bodies as do
day laborers and sex workers. see martha nussbaum's whether from reason or
prejudice. which is not to suggest these activities are all the
economical needs continue to force people to sell their body out of
despair and not out of consent.
This expresses imo the issue at stake: the lack of a fundamental critic
regarding the economics involved in 'sex workers', for defining the 'need' to
sell once bodily 'labour' out of despair is
And how exactly is selling access to the pussy fundamentally different
from selling access to the brain?
A precarious intellectual worker may have, out of dispair, to sell
access to his brain to do some inane academic papers to further the
official ideology, or to do some computer programming to
Dear Margaret
You are absolutely right in not buying that last sentence
It should read:
-- So an intimate and inter-personal exchange where the financial
equilibrium is not of primary interest will be preferable and leaves out
the socially and economically consensual dogmatics and leave the
When I hear the word sex trade worker I'm reminded of the phrase
collateral damage. Cleaning up the language doesn't change the
situation. If the word prostitute hurts your feelings - it SHOULD. It's
humiliating work. I agree that it's master-slave, and that's what the
customer is buying -
Dear Morlock,
Do you actually not understand the difference between selling your physical
body and choosing to write inane academic papers?
MM
On Feb 10, 2012, at 9:34 AM, Morlock Elloi wrote:
And how exactly is selling access to the pussy fundamentally different
from selling access to
We must compassionately consider the plight of the inane and opinionated as not
a choice, but as a sad, symptomatic consequence of the capricious capitalist
mechanism. All too frequently, surplus idleness is thrust upon those who are
ill-prepared to receive the burden.
Can you not understand
On 02/08/2012 11:27 AM, Nick wrote:
I'm not sure how comfortable I am with switching to
discussing the value sex work brings to society. It does
seem to be a step up from talk of 'consent,' but it still
seems like an odd frame to me. Why do we need a framework
deciding whether it's a valid
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